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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6423046" data-attributes="member: 87792">Indeed.&nbsp; And at this point I'd call the GM a jerk, plain and simple.To put it simply, pretending to be from The Balrog Times would make absolutely no sense in a setting without newspapers.&nbsp; So it's not something the character would have thought of.&nbsp; If the GM were to stop the player and say &quot;You do realise there's no printing press yet so newspapers don't exist?&quot; would work.&nbsp; But to turn a sensible players action into a severely out of character action by keeping obvious facts about the world hidden that the PC would know is a jerk move.And there is nothing stopping the GM from being a jerk.That's a minimum.Roleplaying is based on adding storytelling elements and a tight perspective to tabletop wargaming.So do any two RPGs.&nbsp; GURPS is very different from BECMI.&nbsp; And Kobolds Ate My Baby is different again.&nbsp; For that matter, 1e is very different from 2e, is very different from 3.0, is very different from 4e.Indeed.&nbsp; Which is why I started with Braunstein.&nbsp; And mentioned that storytelling elements and the type of play you see with much looser elements are how oD&amp;D was played at both Gygax's and Arneson's tables.There was then in the 80s a strong move away from what you call storytelling elements.&nbsp; With the absolute authority of the Storyteller being probably the furthest the hobby moved from empowered players.&nbsp; And a pushback in the late 90s and early 00s with people saying they wanted what V:tM promised and never delivered.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6423046, member: 87792"] Indeed. And at this point I'd call the GM a jerk, plain and simple. To put it simply, pretending to be from The Balrog Times would make [I]absolutely no sense[/I] in a setting without newspapers. So it's not something the character would have thought of. If the GM were to stop the player and say "You do realise there's no printing press yet so newspapers don't exist?" would work. But to turn a sensible players action into a severely out of character action by keeping obvious facts about the world hidden that the PC would know is a jerk move. And there is nothing stopping the GM from being a jerk. That's a minimum. [B]Roleplaying is based on adding storytelling elements and a tight perspective to tabletop wargaming.[/B] So do any two RPGs. GURPS is very different from BECMI. And Kobolds Ate My Baby is different again. For that matter, 1e is very different from 2e, is very different from 3.0, is very different from 4e. Indeed. Which is why I started with Braunstein. And mentioned that storytelling elements and the type of play you see with much looser elements are how oD&D was played at both Gygax's and Arneson's tables. There was then in the 80s a strong move away from what you call storytelling elements. With the absolute authority of the Storyteller being probably the furthest the hobby moved from empowered players. And a pushback in the late 90s and early 00s with people saying they wanted what V:tM promised and never delivered. [/QUOTE]

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