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<blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 6437164" data-attributes="member: 6775031"><p>Within the game world, there is some truth about the colour of those clothes. That truth has always been true, even including last week. From our perspective, in the real world, we can't see that truth. All we can see is that it wasn't relevant at the time - it wasn't noteworthy enough to have been meaningful in any way.</p><p></p><p>But the infrastructure for your clothing must already be in place. Before we determine whether your pants are blue or green, we know that there was a vendor somewhere who sold them, or that your mom made them for you, or whatever. (We don't necessarily <em>know</em> the whatever, but we know that they must have come from somewhere.)</p><p></p><p>So we go to determine the color of these pants, because suddenly it becomes relevant. Cool. Let's say we go with a random roll. The DM puts together a quick pants-color table: 1) red, 2-4) blue, 5) brown, 6) green.</p><p></p><p>In creating this table, the DM has already decided that these are all reasonable answers. The infrastructure exists for every option. Even if black or tan pants would have not stood out, and thus weren't excluded on the basis of condition 1 (above), they have been excluded from the chart for a reason. They are literally not possible options, (or they fall below the resolution detail of the chart).</p><p></p><p>And the same is true of the lich. If the lich and all of its infrastructure (history, minions, lair, etc) did not already exist within the game world, it would not have appeared on the chart. It's just hiding in parts that haven't showed up yet.</p><p></p><p>And I get that you're doing it differently. You're coming at it from the direction where the lich <em>didn't</em> exist prior to the roll - where the DM has to invent all of that stuff on the spot, and a roll of non-lich means that there <em>isn't</em> necessarily a lich somewhere around there. As previously explained to me, that was apparently a thing in some of the editions I didn't play. I don't like it, and I'm not going to play that way, but I understand that your way makes perfect sense to you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Crimson Binome, post: 6437164, member: 6775031"] Within the game world, there is some truth about the colour of those clothes. That truth has always been true, even including last week. From our perspective, in the real world, we can't see that truth. All we can see is that it wasn't relevant at the time - it wasn't noteworthy enough to have been meaningful in any way. But the infrastructure for your clothing must already be in place. Before we determine whether your pants are blue or green, we know that there was a vendor somewhere who sold them, or that your mom made them for you, or whatever. (We don't necessarily [I]know[/I] the whatever, but we know that they must have come from somewhere.) So we go to determine the color of these pants, because suddenly it becomes relevant. Cool. Let's say we go with a random roll. The DM puts together a quick pants-color table: 1) red, 2-4) blue, 5) brown, 6) green. In creating this table, the DM has already decided that these are all reasonable answers. The infrastructure exists for every option. Even if black or tan pants would have not stood out, and thus weren't excluded on the basis of condition 1 (above), they have been excluded from the chart for a reason. They are literally not possible options, (or they fall below the resolution detail of the chart). And the same is true of the lich. If the lich and all of its infrastructure (history, minions, lair, etc) did not already exist within the game world, it would not have appeared on the chart. It's just hiding in parts that haven't showed up yet. And I get that you're doing it differently. You're coming at it from the direction where the lich [I]didn't[/I] exist prior to the roll - where the DM has to invent all of that stuff on the spot, and a roll of non-lich means that there [I]isn't[/I] necessarily a lich somewhere around there. As previously explained to me, that was apparently a thing in some of the editions I didn't play. I don't like it, and I'm not going to play that way, but I understand that your way makes perfect sense to you. [/QUOTE]
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