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<blockquote data-quote="Cyberen" data-source="post: 6437381" data-attributes="member: 69074"><p>I have followed the thread very closely !</p><p>It seems to me you are trying to draw lines in the sand where there were previously none. I won't go further than AD&D, but I say it again : the 1e DMG *rules* mention the Battlesystem. Thus, your claim that "In RPGs, the players exclusively act through their character" is clearly an oversimplification of those *rules*. You are aiming at a simple, short and definitive definition of (trad) RPGs, by ignoring facts. When pemerton (and others) says he has built his actual DMing style upon seeds he has found in those rules, it *proves* those seeds where there, even if others don't see them.</p><p>I also feel that you and Hussar agree on player authorship, but you keep nagging at the words he's using because you wouldn't change your terms. Beside this, I have found your contribution to this thread very constructive, especially with your crazy actual examples of power entitlement and your elegant way of solving them, and your insights on "traditional" play. So, please keep on the good work, but I respectfully tell you that I feel your "definitive assertions" about RPGs add more confusion than light to this debate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cyberen, post: 6437381, member: 69074"] I have followed the thread very closely ! It seems to me you are trying to draw lines in the sand where there were previously none. I won't go further than AD&D, but I say it again : the 1e DMG *rules* mention the Battlesystem. Thus, your claim that "In RPGs, the players exclusively act through their character" is clearly an oversimplification of those *rules*. You are aiming at a simple, short and definitive definition of (trad) RPGs, by ignoring facts. When pemerton (and others) says he has built his actual DMing style upon seeds he has found in those rules, it *proves* those seeds where there, even if others don't see them. I also feel that you and Hussar agree on player authorship, but you keep nagging at the words he's using because you wouldn't change your terms. Beside this, I have found your contribution to this thread very constructive, especially with your crazy actual examples of power entitlement and your elegant way of solving them, and your insights on "traditional" play. So, please keep on the good work, but I respectfully tell you that I feel your "definitive assertions" about RPGs add more confusion than light to this debate. [/QUOTE]
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