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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6439205" data-attributes="member: 22779">Oh please.  That's ballocks.Look, is there a spell called Raise Dead or Resurrection (take your pick) in the D&D books that you own?  Is it there?  Then it's part of the game.  Yes, we know you can remove stuff.  Guess what?  You can remove stuff from a Story Game too.  Who cares if you can remove it? This is about the lamest argument you can make.  "Well, you can change the game to remove story game elements, therefore the game has no story game elements" is a ludicrous argument.  It's like saying that Poker isn't a gambling game because you can play it without betting.  It's 100% true that you could play poker without gambling.  But, it's also 100% true that Poker, as written, is a gambling game.Put it another way.  If I remove Fate Points from Fate, does that mean that Fate is a (trad) RPG?  See how ridiculous this line of argument is?  Fate isn't a story game because I can remove the story game elements?  Bottom line, yes or no, is there a Raise Dead or Resurrection spell in D&D?  Because a Res spell, or even better, a Rod of Res (because that's usable by anyone) appears in MY copies of every edition of D&D that I've played.  And Raise Dead or Resurrection is pretty much direct player authorial control.  You get to retcon PC death.  And, bringing this back around to 5e, I was perusing the 5e DMG Basic rules and noticed this little gem:  Oh look, direct retcon of results.  Player Authorship in action.  You fail a saving throw, and spend a resource to make the save, instead.  Nice to see.  I'm pretty sure if I went back into the old 1e DMG, I could likely find all sorts of examples like this.  Be an interesting thing to look at.</blockquote>

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