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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6441741" data-attributes="member: 42582">I don't really know what you are intending by this.If the players turn up to a D&amp;D game with 10th level PCs, what GM is going to pull out Keep on the Borderlands and say &quot;let's play this&quot;? Fewer than 1 in 100, would be my guess.This once again shows the inadequacy of an ingame perspective for giving advice on game design and GMing techniques.Of course, if the players turn up with 1st level PCs and start playing Keep on the Borderlands, it's true from within the gameworld that the Keep and the Caves are there for anyone to find. (It's also true, somewhat conveniently, that no one else has come along to clear them out!)But in the real world, at the gaming table, it need not be true that, had the players turned up with different PCs the gameworld would neverhtless have included the Keep; and almost certainly not as an adventuing option salient to the PCs. Rather, the salient option for the PCs would probaby have included White Plume Mountain or Tomb of Horrors or the Steading of the Hill Giant Chief (choosing modules from within a similar range of publication dates and play styles).This is before we even get to an experience that I, and I assume others, have had, of a player buying a module so the GM can run it for that player and his/her friends. That is a shift from the GM choosing or writing an adventure that will suit the players (given their interests, PC levels etc) to a player (via the proxy of the module author) presenting the gameworld that his/her PC will explore.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6441741, member: 42582"] I don't really know what you are intending by this. If the players turn up to a D&D game with 10th level PCs, what GM is going to pull out Keep on the Borderlands and say "let's play this"? Fewer than 1 in 100, would be my guess. This once again shows the inadequacy of an ingame perspective for giving advice on game design and GMing techniques. Of course, if the players turn up with 1st level PCs and start playing Keep on the Borderlands, it's true from within the gameworld that the Keep and the Caves are there for anyone to find. (It's also true, somewhat conveniently, that no one else has come along to clear them out!) But in the real world, at the gaming table, it need not be true that, had the players turned up with different PCs the gameworld would neverhtless have included the Keep; and almost certainly not as an adventuing option salient to the PCs. Rather, the salient option for the PCs would probaby have included White Plume Mountain or Tomb of Horrors or the Steading of the Hill Giant Chief (choosing modules from within a similar range of publication dates and play styles). This is before we even get to an experience that I, and I assume others, have had, of a player buying a module so the GM can run it for that player and his/her friends. That is a shift from the GM choosing or writing an adventure that will suit the players (given their interests, PC levels etc) to a player (via the proxy of the module author) presenting the gameworld that his/her PC will explore. [/QUOTE]

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