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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6448817" data-attributes="member: 22779">What is the difference between the player telling the DM that his cleric character is visiting the town's local church before the DM has actually established that there IS a church in this town and the player telling the DM that he is stacking boxes in an alley that the DM has not established as actually existing?  Or the beard on the wizard that the DM has not established?  Would you have any problems with the cleric player doing this?  Would you consider this to be something that never (or almost never) occurred in the early days of the game?  I argue that any time the player adds elements to the game before the DM has established those elements, that this is player authorship.  The DM can and possibly should veto some additions, but, in many cases these would pass without comment and be added to the game without anyone even really noticing.  What do you define player authorship as?  As far as 3e goes, I'm failing to remember exactly what Pemerton said about the existence of authorial control, but, all you have to do is point to Action Points, a key element in Eberron and a fairly commonly used rule elsewhere, to see that player authorship lives in 3e.  The PHB2 Association rules (I think I got the name wrong - the rules for creating and maintaining groups and factions in the game world) contain all sorts of player authorship elements.  I'm pretty sure there are boatloads more out there for those who want to look for them.</blockquote>

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