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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6610864" data-attributes="member: 6787650">Hmmm. Perhaps this is a miscommunication then, because the way I wrote #840 isn't intended to be giving any new information to players. It's pretty common where I'm from to confirm a player's stated action while narrating the results.Bob: I hit the orc with my axe. [rolls dice] 18.DM: You swing your axe at the orc and hit him in the chest.This isn't the DM telling Bob that his PC did anything. Bob is not forced to hit the orc. In #840 it was supposed to be clear that &quot;the players are running out of steam&quot; is implicit in the DM saying after ten or twenty minutes, &quot;you wrack your brains to come up with a new lead or a new angle on the problem, but nothing comes to mind.&quot; Where I'm coming from, the DM wouldn't even be saying that unless it was clearly the case already. That's why it's more akin to action resolution than nudging; and it's not a choker as defined in your article. It doesn't restrict player freedom in the slightest.Of course I do. If you were saying, &quot;you shouldn't have done this,&quot; I would just ignore your opinion. But we're discussing the factual claim about whether or not it constitutes a choker as defined by your article. I think it's clearly not one, but that may be due to miscommunication, as addressed above. That is, you may be imagining a different scene than the one I was describing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6610864, member: 6787650"] Hmmm. Perhaps this is a miscommunication then, because the way I wrote #840 isn't intended to be giving any new information to players. It's pretty common where I'm from to confirm a player's stated action while narrating the results. Bob: I hit the orc with my axe. [rolls dice] 18. DM: [B]You swing your axe at the orc [/B]and hit him in the chest. This isn't the DM telling Bob that his PC did anything. Bob is not forced to hit the orc. In #840 it was supposed to be clear that "the players are running out of steam" is implicit in the DM saying after ten or twenty minutes, "you wrack your brains to come up with a new lead or a new angle on the problem, but nothing comes to mind." Where I'm coming from, the DM wouldn't even be saying that unless it was clearly the case already. That's why it's more akin to action resolution than nudging; and it's not a choker as defined in your article. It doesn't restrict player freedom in the slightest. [COLOR=#000000] Of course I do. If you were saying, "you shouldn't have done this," I would just ignore your opinion. But we're discussing the factual claim about whether or not it constitutes a choker as defined by your article. I think it's clearly not one, but that may be due to miscommunication, as addressed above. That is, you may be imagining a different scene than the one I was describing.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]

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