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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 2580292" data-attributes="member: 158">Mea Culpa -- I made two mistakes looking over your numbers:1) I mistakenly saw the AD&D fighter as having 79 hit points, same as the 3E fighter;2) I saw the "10" for hit points instead of "12" and thought you hadn't given 3E guy his first level CON bonus.DUUUHHHH... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!    :o"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" />Only one last mistake on the AD&D guy, that I can see: he got 3 more hit points at 10th level, with no CON bonus, instead of the +4 you gave him. So on average he's at 70 hp's. No biggie.And yeah, the differences in scale are there; Hill giants were a bigger challenge than you first suggested, but it's true that the 3E giants are a BIGGER relative challenge.I'll still have to disagree on that one, though, because the default rules suggest he'll have magic armor, and it will be customized to his wishes, up to one-quarter or on-half the value of his suggested wealth. (3.0's NPC equipment tables and all the example characters I've ever seen suggest that to me more as much as anything.) A DM could change that, but then, a DM could change that no matter what rules you're using, and I'm thinking more along the lines of "actual table conditions" rather than a strict even comparison of no magic to no magic. It's still irrelevant, because a 10th level fighter will find it a tough challenge regardless of rule set.</blockquote>

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