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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6073532" data-attributes="member: 6669384">We had some new players join our group this week.&nbsp; Whenever this happens there's a &quot;fitting in&quot; period, a time when the player gets to see what works with the group, and the group evaluates the new players.In our game, because practically everyone's a DM at some point or another, it can be even rougher to manage.&nbsp; Things I find acceptable might ruffle the feathers of someone else.Which is not what's going on in this case, I'm just saying that somebody else might find the new characters acceptable, even if I don't.One of the PCs is a Half Vampire Cleric/Sorcerer/True Necromancer who has taken a Vow of Poverty, and has a Ghostly Visage (Fiend Folio, I think) as his familiar.I noticed immediately that his weapon was a Lucern Hammer, Adamantine and Dark Metal alloy.&nbsp; His clothing is silk.&nbsp; I think that violates the Vow of Poverty.&nbsp; He said it was okay.&nbsp; I looked it up and he's allowed simple weapons, non-magic and non-masterworked.&nbsp; Clothing should be simple, such as home spun robes.&nbsp; So I think we need to talk.His rules knowledge seems a bit off as well.&nbsp; He tried to use Speak with Dead to question the spirit (not the body) of a recently slain shop keeper.&nbsp; He didn't know that it doesn't work that way.My concern, over all though, is the stuff from the Book of Exalted Deeds.&nbsp; It's a book we haven't used, and I'm not that familiar with a lot of it.&nbsp; I've gotten the feeling here that Vow of Poverty is a borderline rules rape.What are your feelings?(BTW:&nbsp; He says that his character is Lawful Good, though True Necromancer has a prerequisite of &quot;Any non-good&quot;)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6073532, member: 6669384"] We had some new players join our group this week. Whenever this happens there's a "fitting in" period, a time when the player gets to see what works with the group, and the group evaluates the new players. In our game, because practically everyone's a DM at some point or another, it can be even rougher to manage. Things I find acceptable might ruffle the feathers of someone else. Which is not what's going on in this case, I'm just saying that somebody else might find the new characters acceptable, even if I don't. One of the PCs is a Half Vampire Cleric/Sorcerer/True Necromancer who has taken a Vow of Poverty, and has a Ghostly Visage (Fiend Folio, I think) as his familiar. I noticed immediately that his weapon was a Lucern Hammer, Adamantine and Dark Metal alloy. His clothing is silk. I think that violates the Vow of Poverty. He said it was okay. I looked it up and he's allowed simple weapons, non-magic and non-masterworked. Clothing should be simple, such as home spun robes. So I think we need to talk. His rules knowledge seems a bit off as well. He tried to use [I]Speak with Dead[/I] to question the spirit (not the body) of a recently slain shop keeper. He didn't know that it doesn't work that way. My concern, over all though, is the stuff from the Book of Exalted Deeds. It's a book we haven't used, and I'm not that familiar with a lot of it. I've gotten the feeling here that Vow of Poverty is a borderline rules rape. What are your feelings? (BTW: He says that his character is Lawful Good, though True Necromancer has a prerequisite of "Any non-good") [/QUOTE]

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