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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sylrae" data-source="post: 4280744" data-attributes="member: 48520">buffs would not raise these stats, no; only the base scores (after racial modifiers) would have an effect on them.I don't see the wizard having all that though. The Wizard wont have higher dex, con, int, and str, which is what he would need to get what you just said. unless the fighter had crappy stats all around i dont see that happening.Let's assume an average fighter, with 16 Str, 14 Dex, and 16 Con. Then he has 12 int, 12 wis, and 10 cha. He'd be getting a d8 for HD, with a +3 per level. He'd have a BAC of 7/8, and a BAB of 7/8. This fighter has no 18s in any of the stats a fighter usually has, and as such is slightly weaker than the PHB fighter. he has no racial mods and no maxed scores at default. he's got 3 skill points, the same as he's have otherwise.lets now have that wizard. he'll get the same numbers, but not in the same spots.12, 14, 16, 16, 12, 10. this wizard doesnt care that he has a crappy will score. He'll be getting a d8 as well, but he wont get any class bonuses for his hit points. He's got the same ac. But he can't function properly in armor. His BAB is 6/8. He's tougher than a standard wizard, but he doesn't outshine the fighter. He's got 7 skill points per level. If he had been more 'wizardy' with scores of say, 10, 12, 16, 16, 14, 12; he'd have a wizard BAB, AC 6/8, and the same skill points. He'd have a d8 hd still though. Maybe HP should rely on STR & CON? maybe for skill points it should be int+wis instead of double int?what do you guys think</blockquote>

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