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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6936598" data-attributes="member: 42582">Apparently we read the phrase &quot;undesired or unsuccessful&quot; differently. You seem to read it as synonymous with unsuccessful. I don't.A kobold does d4 damage, or weapon type. An orc does d8 damage, or weapon type. A 2nd level fighter has an average of 11 hp before CON bonuses. A 2nd level cleric has an average of 9 hp before CON bonuses. A 3rd level thief has an average of 10.5 hp before CON bonuses.Sure, a 3rd level MU with no CON bonus has an average of only 7.5 hp, and hence can be single-shotted by an orc with a sword.But most 3rd level PCs, and most frontline 2nd level PCs, are not in danger of being one-shotted by a kobold or orc. (Unless already depleted in hp - but that happens to PCs in other editions too.)What does that have to do with my post? I said that AD&amp;D is not presented as a game in which combat is to be avoided. This is reinforced by the fact that both the PHB and the DMG say that combat will be a frequent occurence in AD&amp;D adventures.Whether or not combat is to be undertaken first, last, or inbetween is orthogonal to this. For instance, if a 2nd level party comes upon a chest of 1000 sp being guarded by 3 kobolds, there is nothing about AD&amp;D that suggests combat should be avoided. Attacking those kobolds would be a rational thing to do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6936598, member: 42582"] Apparently we read the phrase "undesired or unsuccessful" differently. You seem to read it as synonymous with [I]unsuccessful.[/I] I don't. A kobold does d4 damage, or weapon type. An orc does d8 damage, or weapon type. A 2nd level fighter has an average of 11 hp before CON bonuses. A 2nd level cleric has an average of 9 hp before CON bonuses. A 3rd level thief has an average of 10.5 hp before CON bonuses. Sure, a 3rd level MU with no CON bonus has an average of only 7.5 hp, and hence can be single-shotted by an orc with a sword. But most 3rd level PCs, and most frontline 2nd level PCs, are not in danger of being one-shotted by a kobold or orc. (Unless already depleted in hp - but that happens to PCs in other editions too.) What does that have to do with my post? I said that AD&D is not presented as a game in which combat is to be avoided. This is reinforced by the fact that both the PHB and the DMG say that combat will be a frequent occurence in AD&D adventures. Whether or not combat is to be undertaken first, last, or inbetween is orthogonal to this. For instance, if a 2nd level party comes upon a chest of 1000 sp being guarded by 3 kobolds, there is nothing about AD&D that suggests combat should be avoided. Attacking those kobolds would be a rational thing to do. [/QUOTE]

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