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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6937565" data-attributes="member: 42582">The issue of &quot;changing the story&quot; isn't what I'm thinking about in my posts.But you seem to be assuming that the PCs will, somehow or other, overcome the obstacle. Thus, that there will be a story that is not just one of failure.That assumption holds true at some tables but not all. Sometimes the PCs just fail - or, the device whereby they succeed is a very evident GM-driven Deus Ex Machina. Personally, I don't find that either of these two options produces a very satisfying story, but I've seen plenty of both back in my B/X and AD&amp;D days.Again, there are RPGs that handle PC failure well - ie it is not just failure. I just feel D&amp;D isn't the best at this. So if the mechanical bonuses are lower enough to no longer fall within the &quot;success range&quot; for the system - and it's clear that, in 5e, this range is pretty broad - then there is an increased likelihood of either stalling through failure, or an apparent need for GM bailouts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6937565, member: 42582"] The issue of "changing the story" isn't what I'm thinking about in my posts. But you seem to be assuming that the PCs will, somehow or other, overcome the obstacle. Thus, that there [I]will[/I] be a story that is not just one of failure. That assumption holds true at some tables but not all. Sometimes the PCs just fail - or, the device whereby they succeed is a very evident GM-driven Deus Ex Machina. Personally, I don't find that either of these two options produces a very satisfying story, but I've seen plenty of both back in my B/X and AD&D days. Again, there are RPGs that handle PC failure well - ie it is not [I]just[/I] failure. I just feel D&D isn't the best at this. So if the mechanical bonuses are lower enough to no longer fall within the "success range" for the system - and it's clear that, in 5e, this range is pretty broad - then there is an increased likelihood of either stalling through failure, or an apparent need for GM bailouts. [/QUOTE]

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