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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arnwyn" data-source="post: 765442" data-attributes="member: 7701">I agree with you Doc - if the player insists on using Cha as a dump stat, then he gets what he deserves.I also agree with you that you should treat him normally for "small" things (any old equipment/weapon shop), but when it comes to expensive or rare purchases, then his Cha should work against him (like your example - when he wants something enchanted).I deal with that pretty much as you do. My players have *LONG* since learned to make their Cha at least somewhat reasonable (average at the very least, unless they have a specific character concept in mind, in which they already know about and are prepared for).As for the whining and complaining, well, I would generally ignore it. Players often complain, so this shouldn't be entirely unexpected. Also, you can ask him why he thinks it is "unbelievable", why he feels that he is being stiffed, and what he thinks should occur instead. I've discovered its very helpful to have the players explain themselves and justify their comments instead of YOU (the DM) always doing the explaining. He may find that his reasoning sounds completely idiotic, and will then shut up. Tell him that the matter is easy to rectify - put in more points to Cha when he goes up in levels. If he doesn't want to, tell him that of course it's his decision, and obviously he's prepared to make that choice. (Then, if he complains in the future, constantly remind him of his choice.)You should continue with what you are doing, and make him justify his complaints.</blockquote>

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