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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 766007" data-attributes="member: 707">First of all, an 8 charisma isn't that low.  It's barely below average.  As someone else pointed out, if you're giving this big a penalty for a -1 to an attribute, god only knows what you're giving to the guy with a +1 to the same thing.  So the guy's slightly out-of-place at the ball.  He's only just barely moreso than your average Joe.Secondly, there are straight rules for this in the game already.  NPC attitude adjustment.  You know, where they start out neutral vs. everyone, and you make your charisma check to try and get them to be more friendly, and if you fail badly they grow more hostile.  With a roll of d20-1, he'll mostly be unable to affect them, and sometimes it'll go either way, but he certainly shouldn't be penalized the way you're doing so.It's as if a -1 to his charisma has earned the fighter some kind of Curse of Infamy, where every shopkeeper instantly takes a dislike to him from the start.  In fact, I recall reading in the "unfortunate PCs" thread about a PC who had just such a curse.  Suffice it to say, it was more than simply the result of having a -1 to a stat.Lastly, as Tom Cashel said, D&D is a team sport.  If there are bards and sorcerers in the group, they should be trying to help the fighter out in the social situations, just as the fighter's combat goodness keeps them alive in a fight.  Aid Another would allow the sorcerer to give a +2 circumstance bonus to the fighter's diplomacy check.  ("Hey let me tell you a funny story about my buddy the fighter here...")And if the bard goes off to do his own thing while the fighter needs to buy some equipment?  The fighter can always go off to do his own thing the next time the bard is dealing with a half-dozen raging orcs.</blockquote>

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