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<blockquote data-quote="zyzzyr" data-source="post: 767250" data-attributes="member: 1867">Hi Doc,I would agree with the sentiment that this sort of stuff should be settled by skill checks, not GM decision.I used to GM by the theory that the GM makes the decisions of the NPCs, and to tell the truth, it wasn't very popular.&nbsp; Not because they felt ripped off necessarily, but because it seemed like a guy with Cha 8 could apparently *never* get the good-looking girl, to quote a sentiment.&nbsp; And I think everyone knows a couple that evokes the response &quot;What does *she* see in *him*?&quot; or vice-versa.It took me a while to get used to using skill checks, but it has proven extremely successful.&nbsp; Players don't get frustrated when you tell them to roll a Diplomacy check when they are inquiring about rooms, or negotiating prices.&nbsp; When you tell them that their arguments fail to convince the shopkeeper (be sure to give out circumstance bonuses if necessary!)It really does make a difference, and the player that did this now accepts the fact that he's not the best person to be negotiating.I'd also agree with the idea that Cha 8 is only slightly below average.&nbsp; The modifier is only 1 less than Cha 11.&nbsp; He's not a &quot;lummox&quot;, he just says the wrong thing slightly more often than the average joe.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zyzzyr, post: 767250, member: 1867"] Hi Doc, I would agree with the sentiment that this sort of stuff should be settled by skill checks, not GM decision. I used to GM by the theory that the GM makes the decisions of the NPCs, and to tell the truth, it wasn't very popular. Not because they felt ripped off necessarily, but because it seemed like a guy with Cha 8 could apparently *never* get the good-looking girl, to quote a sentiment. And I think everyone knows a couple that evokes the response "What does *she* see in *him*?" or vice-versa. It took me a while to get used to using skill checks, but it has proven extremely successful. Players don't get frustrated when you tell them to roll a Diplomacy check when they are inquiring about rooms, or negotiating prices. When you tell them that their arguments fail to convince the shopkeeper (be sure to give out circumstance bonuses if necessary!) It really does make a difference, and the player that did this now accepts the fact that he's not the best person to be negotiating. I'd also agree with the idea that Cha 8 is only slightly below average. The modifier is only 1 less than Cha 11. He's not a "lummox", he just says the wrong thing slightly more often than the average joe. [/QUOTE]

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