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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7403528" data-attributes="member: 12731">So, to summarize:If the game does what it says it does, it works poorly to be the zero.In games that say they do supers/levels, but in reality doesn't, then it works to be the zero.D&D editions 3 (and 4 I guess) are the worst games in this regard, since they actively keep the promise: as a hero, you can literally wade through zeroes without ever stopping.What you need is a game that treats the "twice as strong" case as maybe 20% stronger (numerically speaking).This makes 5th edition D&D better for your needs, or should I say less bad for your needs, since it remains a game not about your use case. Also consider Ars Magica in the future discussion, as a game that actively encourages a party with both Gandalf, Hawkeye and a Red-Shirt.</blockquote>