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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elric" data-source="post: 483265" data-attributes="member: 1139">I hate to say it, but the amount of time you have to spend and the number of books (especially non-core ones) that you can use seems to be the only restriction on a smackdown character.  Power can theoretically increase forever, especially with something like a Hero class that lets you take dozens of feats from new books.I would also like to point out that, by stealing an idea from Jeremy, I could get an "infinite" smackdown.Be a 16th level character.  Use leadership to get a 15th level Cohort.  Your cohort can be as simple as a Wizard 5/Incatatrix 8/Contemplative (Luck) 1/Spelldancer 1.  Now, your cohort can go infinite.  At the start of one day, your cohort (who has a very high Con score and a bunch of items to boost Fort save) casts a very empowered Endurance, extended a couple of times.  If you miss the Fort save (only on a 1), reroll.  The next day, your new Con will be around 2.5 points higher for every 2 levels of the empower.  An increase of +2 to Con will give you +1 Fort save and +1 Con modifier, which lets you Empower a spell 2 extra times...  You can Extend a spell a large # of times very quickly, and the Luck domain gives you a 1/400 chance of failing on a given day.  By rolling 4s (so, +4 to Con for 2 spell levels), you increase your Con score at a ridiculous rate, doubling the empower bonus on the Endurance every time you roll another 4.At the end of all this?  Instant Metamagic it Persistent (+1000000 Con) and put it in an item at Will for level 3*spell level 2*1000 (at will)= 6000 gp and a little experience.  Using this item, you can cast infinitely metamagiced spells with spelldancer.  Mix with other stat-buff spells, spells that last all year to taste.  Then give those items back to the 16th level "smackdown" character, who could be a 16th level commoner for all it matters.</blockquote>

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