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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MyISPHatesENWorld" data-source="post: 4454211" data-attributes="member: 65684">I'm not wrong. Look at the conversation within which that response is made. He specifically claimed earlier that +3 to Intimidate from the background rather than taking the feat was too powerful. Then he said that the bonus was more powerful because it stacks with everything else - which the feat bonus does as well. +3 that stacks with anything but itself because you can only select one of it's type = +3 that stacks with anything not of it's own type.It doesn't stack with all available sources - it doesn't stack with other backgrounds because you can take only one. Paragon paths, which also grant untyped bonuses stack with everything else, when you're determining the baklance of DCs are you including the possibilty of a bonus from a paragon path being included in calculating skill DCs? It is a change you don't like, that doesn't mean it is any more unnecessary than anything added to the game and certainly doesn't make it not helpful. The benefits of allowing players more diversity in how they can make their character match their concept make is helpful.But, without a benfit from background, a character with+14 Intimidate (+4 Cha, +2 race, +3 focus, +5 trained) is OK? Then a character with +13 Intimidate (+2 race, +3 focus, +3 background, +5 trained) should also be OK. If +17 breaks the system, but +14 is OK, fix getting to +17, don't limit how you can get to +14. It isn't an insurmountable problem. Just making them a feat bonus is a lazy way out.</blockquote>

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