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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ballard_Alvar" data-source="post: 2285335" data-attributes="member: 32222">Mike, Can you show me where? All I see when I look at the WS entry in the Druid Class is "[font=&quot]At 5th level, a druid gains the ability to turn herself into any Small or Medium animal and back again once per day. Her options for new forms include all creatures with the animaimal " and "[/font][font=&quot]In addition, she gains the ability to take the shape of a Large animal at 8th level, a Tiny animal at 11th level, and a Huge animal at 15th level."[/font]That means that of the creatures listed under "Animal" that are huge, one is limited to Giant Crocodile, Elephant, posably a Huge Shark depending on your interpritation, Giant Constricter Snake, Huge Viper Snake (again on interpritation), Giant Squid, Orca.Including Dire Animals there is the Dire Shark. Thats it, and of that Only an elephant or snake is any good under most conditions and those aren't typically in a druids Home terrain either. --although, using the same argument I used earlier this thread, it is perfectly plausable for a druid of this level to have traveled outside his normal region.  It still remainds a bit of a quandry.  Why would the druid get that if there are only a few forms to shift into.  Now, if you allow Advanced creatures that gives you a little more base.  That gives you. . . Ok, not a whole lot more: A giant octopus at that worth something. . . right(no), A Rino(15th Level)!. . .--Everyone likes Huge Tigers(15th level), if you use the Dire list, it gets a better Dire Bear(17th Level). Dire Boar(17th level), Dire Lion(17th level) and Dire Tiger(33rd Level).  But MOST of those (especially Dire) you can't use until you are 17th level +. . . so that's it Rinos and Tigers no bears, oh my! - at least until 17th level. Also, its dumb that I have to take feats or use expanded material from Races of Stone in order to shape into a decent combat orented flying creature.Well, I think I'm done ranting for now.  If anyone (including mike) can please show me where it says that I can't, I would appreciate that.Thank you.</blockquote>

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