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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5004172" data-attributes="member: 35909">Ditto for Catfolk Pounce, which requires playing an LA +1 race that doesn't even get a str boost.Pouncing Charge maneuver requires a level 9 Swordsage or Warblade, or level 18 and ~3 feats.Druids and rangers have to wait till level 5+ and expend a daily resource (spell) to do it each time.&nbsp; Druids can also spend a feat for the privalege *laughing* of expending a Wildshape usage each time they want to Pounce.&nbsp; Lion of Talisid gets it around level 12-13 (I always enter level 9 so I have large wildshape first), and is a very specific build, requiring some exalted feats and basically designed solely for a VoP druid.Aside from the broken (and 3.0) template, Lion totem Barbarian is the only one who gets pounce nearly that quickly and easily.&nbsp; I had a houserule thread a while back trying to think of ways ot balance it, since I don't mind a barbarian getting it from the start.&nbsp; I just don't like how cheaply easy it is to dip and get it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5004172, member: 35909"] Ditto for Catfolk Pounce, which requires playing an LA +1 race that doesn't even get a str boost. Pouncing Charge maneuver requires a level 9 Swordsage or Warblade, or level 18 and ~3 feats. Druids and rangers have to wait till level 5+ and expend a daily resource (spell) to do it each time. Druids can also spend a feat for the privalege *laughing* of expending a Wildshape usage each time they want to Pounce. Lion of Talisid gets it around level 12-13 (I always enter level 9 so I have large wildshape first), and is a very specific build, requiring some exalted feats and basically designed solely for a VoP druid. Aside from the broken (and 3.0) template, Lion totem Barbarian is the only one who gets pounce nearly that quickly and easily. I had a houserule thread a while back trying to think of ways ot balance it, since I don't mind a barbarian getting it from the start. I just don't like how cheaply easy it is to dip and get it. [/QUOTE]

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