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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2475751" data-attributes="member: 5777">Sounds like the big guy had a huge amount of investment into doing this, it was a very specific situation, and one of the pc's did something very dumb which the bad guy could, because of his investment, take advantage of.Perfect example of why cleaving off of aoo's 'should' be allowed. It makes people think in more tactical terms along with giving someone in extremely unlikely circumstances the ability to actually 'use' his special training.As a corallary, an invisible character is walking down the hall with a noninvisible character. A bag guy spots the visible guy and casts fireball on him. The invisible pc is upset because his character was punished for the other character being spotted when he was not.It all comes down to the situation. It isnt 'but I didnt do anything wrong!' it is 'The other guy had the proper abilities to take advantage of a certain situation'.It is a hard way to change modes of thinking of course, especially if you are the one in the position of being 'wronged'. But then, if the other guy hadnt had the ability to take advantage of this situation he would've had some other ability which would come up at other times.Maybe instead of having cleave he could have had improved trip. This means that by getting cleave he had to give up the ability to do something else. Let the guy actually use his ability! He payed for it, just in case there was a circumstance that actually let him use it.</blockquote>

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