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<blockquote data-quote="mvincent" data-source="post: 3316706" data-attributes="member: 27034"><p>From the <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20050705a" target="_blank">Rules of the Game</a>:</p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">"<strong>Sunder</strong>: You can attempt to sunder an object as a melee attack. You usually use the attack or full attack action for a sunder, but you also can sunder as an attack of opportunity."</span></p><p></p><p>From the 3.5 FAQ:</p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">"Sunder is a special kind of melee attack. If it were a special</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">standard action, its description would say so (as the descriptive</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">text for the Manyshot feat says).</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">If you make a full attack, and you have multiple attacks</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">from a high base attack bonus, you can sunder more than once,</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">or attack and sunder, or some other combination of attacking</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">and sundering.</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">Sunder does indeed get its own entry in Table 8–2: Actions</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">in Combat in the Player’s Handbook. It needs one because</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">unlike a regular melee attack, sunder provokes an attack of</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">opportunity (although not if you have the Improved Sunder</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">feat).</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">You can also disarm, grapple, or trip as a melee attack (or</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">attack of opportunity).</span></em></p><p>Also</p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>"As long as every attack is made with one of the monk’s special weapons (that is, weapons allowed as part of a flurry), the monk can perform any special attack that takes the place of a normal attack. She’s free to disarm, sunder, trip, and grapple to her heart’s content."</em></span></p><p>and</p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>"the same ogre trying to sunder your weapon with his greatclub would provoke an attack of opportunity that you could make only against the greatclub (that is, with a disarm or sunder attempt)."</em></span></p><p>and</p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">"<strong>Is it possible for an attack of opportunity to provoke an</strong></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>attack of opportunity? For example, a fighter attempts to</strong></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>trip a cleric. The cleric chooses to make a sunder attack</strong></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>against the fighter’s weapon as his attack of opportunity.</strong></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>Does the sunder attack then provoke an attack of</strong></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>opportunity from the fighter?</strong></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">Yes. An attack of opportunity is adjudicated just like any</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">other attack, and it is subject to the same rules (including</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px">provoking additional attacks of opportunity).</span></em></p><p></p><p>So, at the very least, if your were in an official RPGA game (which uses such clarifications) then you certainly <em>could</em> Sunder on an AOO. The above rulings also seem like fair information that even non-RPGA questioning posters should at least have access to.</p><p></p><p>Really? Fair enough; I have edited my previous post.</p><p></p><p>I've read them, and I agreed completely when they said that this board has a bad reputation for bickering (long before I started posting here regularly). I believe this is largely because the moderators themselves encourage the disparaging of the FAQ and RotG (i.e. supplements that are normally intended to resolve common rules debates). I constantly see rude remarks after doing <em>nothing</em> but quoting such supplements (i.e. offering information in order to assist others). Based on a previous poll on the subject, their viewpoint seems to be a minority, but nonetheless such posting has become pervasive here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mvincent, post: 3316706, member: 27034"] From the [url="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20050705a"]Rules of the Game[/url]: [SIZE=1]"[B]Sunder[/B]: You can attempt to sunder an object as a melee attack. You usually use the attack or full attack action for a sunder, but you also can sunder as an attack of opportunity."[/SIZE] From the 3.5 FAQ: [I][SIZE=1]"Sunder is a special kind of melee attack. If it were a special standard action, its description would say so (as the descriptive text for the Manyshot feat says). If you make a full attack, and you have multiple attacks from a high base attack bonus, you can sunder more than once, or attack and sunder, or some other combination of attacking and sundering. Sunder does indeed get its own entry in Table 8–2: Actions in Combat in the Player’s Handbook. It needs one because unlike a regular melee attack, sunder provokes an attack of opportunity (although not if you have the Improved Sunder feat). You can also disarm, grapple, or trip as a melee attack (or attack of opportunity).[/SIZE][/I] Also [SIZE=1][I]"As long as every attack is made with one of the monk’s special weapons (that is, weapons allowed as part of a flurry), the monk can perform any special attack that takes the place of a normal attack. She’s free to disarm, sunder, trip, and grapple to her heart’s content."[/I][/SIZE] and [SIZE=1][I]"the same ogre trying to sunder your weapon with his greatclub would provoke an attack of opportunity that you could make only against the greatclub (that is, with a disarm or sunder attempt)."[/I][/SIZE] and [I][SIZE=1]"[B]Is it possible for an attack of opportunity to provoke an attack of opportunity? For example, a fighter attempts to trip a cleric. The cleric chooses to make a sunder attack against the fighter’s weapon as his attack of opportunity. Does the sunder attack then provoke an attack of opportunity from the fighter?[/B] Yes. An attack of opportunity is adjudicated just like any other attack, and it is subject to the same rules (including provoking additional attacks of opportunity).[/SIZE][/I] So, at the very least, if your were in an official RPGA game (which uses such clarifications) then you certainly [I]could[/I] Sunder on an AOO. The above rulings also seem like fair information that even non-RPGA questioning posters should at least have access to. Really? Fair enough; I have edited my previous post. I've read them, and I agreed completely when they said that this board has a bad reputation for bickering (long before I started posting here regularly). I believe this is largely because the moderators themselves encourage the disparaging of the FAQ and RotG (i.e. supplements that are normally intended to resolve common rules debates). I constantly see rude remarks after doing [I]nothing[/I] but quoting such supplements (i.e. offering information in order to assist others). Based on a previous poll on the subject, their viewpoint seems to be a minority, but nonetheless such posting has become pervasive here. [/QUOTE]
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