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Charging through an Invisible Opponent
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<blockquote data-quote="RainOfSteel" data-source="post: 1791610" data-attributes="member: 24460"><p style="margin-left: 20px">Is the "opponent" one or two squares wide?  Given the way the above is phrased, I'm going to assume one square (if it were two squares wide, it would have no hope of simply "dodging" at least some of the PCs charging it).</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">Since there is a rule about "squeezing" past things (PHB p. 148), then I'd rule this would fall under that.  However, a couple of factors introduce themselves.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">1) Does the PC being squeezed past <em>know</em> the attempt is under way?</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">2) Does the invisible opponents have some special skill or locomotion that would help it out?</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">The PC being squeezed past should be allowed to make an extra spot attempt vs. invisible creatures at reduced penalities.  First, the invisible creature is moving, second, the invisible creatures is attempting to shoulder past the PC in the squeeze maneuver.  I'd say the spot penalty would only +5, or maybe DC 25 total (vs the DC 40 I normally assign to spot stationary invisible creatures).</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">If the PC successfully spots the invisible creature during the squeeze maneuver, I'd grant a free Attack of Opportunity (if one hadn't already been taken; subject to Feats on both sides).</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">If the invisible creature has special Feats or Skills (like Jump or Tumble), or wall-clinging, etc., I'd wing something to allow that to help.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">For example: The invisible opponent has Tumble, and rolls it.  At DC 20 (reduced because the Tumbler is invisible), the opponent would zig-zag right by the PCs; but a failure would indicate an automatic spot success and a free AoO.</p><p></p><p>EDIT---</p><p style="margin-left: 20px">Oh yes.  The other rules, including penalties, for Invisibility, Squeezing, and failed Tumble attempts, all still apply.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RainOfSteel, post: 1791610, member: 24460"] [indent]Is the "opponent" one or two squares wide? Given the way the above is phrased, I'm going to assume one square (if it were two squares wide, it would have no hope of simply "dodging" at least some of the PCs charging it).[/indent] [indent]Since there is a rule about "squeezing" past things (PHB p. 148), then I'd rule this would fall under that. However, a couple of factors introduce themselves.[/indent] [indent]1) Does the PC being squeezed past [i]know[/i] the attempt is under way?[/indent] [indent]2) Does the invisible opponents have some special skill or locomotion that would help it out?[/indent] [indent]The PC being squeezed past should be allowed to make an extra spot attempt vs. invisible creatures at reduced penalities. First, the invisible creature is moving, second, the invisible creatures is attempting to shoulder past the PC in the squeeze maneuver. I'd say the spot penalty would only +5, or maybe DC 25 total (vs the DC 40 I normally assign to spot stationary invisible creatures).[/indent] [indent]If the PC successfully spots the invisible creature during the squeeze maneuver, I'd grant a free Attack of Opportunity (if one hadn't already been taken; subject to Feats on both sides).[/indent] [indent]If the invisible creature has special Feats or Skills (like Jump or Tumble), or wall-clinging, etc., I'd wing something to allow that to help.[/indent] [indent]For example: The invisible opponent has Tumble, and rolls it. At DC 20 (reduced because the Tumbler is invisible), the opponent would zig-zag right by the PCs; but a failure would indicate an automatic spot success and a free AoO.[/indent] EDIT--- [indent]Oh yes. The other rules, including penalties, for Invisibility, Squeezing, and failed Tumble attempts, all still apply.[/indent] [/QUOTE]
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