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<blockquote data-quote="FoxWander" data-source="post: 4822634" data-attributes="member: 1356">Wow, you brought up a good point about the ramifications with other feats- I hadn't considered that.&nbsp; So it led me to a bit of research that showed the difference between standard actions and the more specific &quot;attack action&quot;- and now I'm forced to a conclusion I don't like, but at least I understand.&nbsp; Spring attack and charge don't work together, even if it's only a standard action to charge.I'll explain: I went to look into any other posts/rulings on manyshot and shot on the run- since they have almost the exact wording as the problem here. Manyshot is a standard action (just like charging with BotBC) and shot on the run calls for the attack action (in fact it reads exactly like spring attack).&nbsp; Not surprisingly, the Main D&amp;D 3.5 FAQ has dealt with this exact question and, luckily, they actually explain their answer rather than whipping off a yes or no.Of course, the answer lies in the annoying (to me) standard action/attack action confusion (apparently it was just me who was confused).&nbsp; What I couldn't get before is that while, obviously, &quot;attack&quot; is merely a certain type of standard action, the point (which I kept missing) is that it is a SPECIFIC standard action and not interchangeable with just any standard action.&nbsp; Since shot on the run and spring attack are specifically limited to the attack action, that means they can't be used with any standard action which happens to include an attack.That being said, just because I understand why it doesn't work, and the reason for it, doesn't mean I like it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />&nbsp; In the case of someone with spring attack doing a boot-powered charge and moving after- the sequence is so similar to a &quot;normal&quot; spring attack that I'd allow them to get the feat benefits in my game even if it's not RAW.&nbsp; Now I just need to talk my DM into the same point of view. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="FoxWander, post: 4822634, member: 1356"] Wow, you brought up a good point about the ramifications with other feats- I hadn't considered that. So it led me to a bit of research that showed the difference between standard actions and the more specific "attack action"- and now I'm forced to a conclusion I don't like, but at least I understand. Spring attack and charge don't work together, even if it's only a standard action to charge. I'll explain: I went to look into any other posts/rulings on manyshot and shot on the run- since they have almost the exact wording as the problem here. Manyshot is a standard action (just like charging with BotBC) and shot on the run calls for the attack action (in fact it reads exactly like spring attack). Not surprisingly, the Main D&D 3.5 FAQ has dealt with this exact question and, luckily, they actually explain their answer rather than whipping off a yes or no. Of course, the answer lies in the annoying (to me) standard action/attack action confusion (apparently it was just me who was confused). What I couldn't get before is that while, obviously, "attack" is merely a certain type of standard action, the point (which I kept missing) is that it is a SPECIFIC standard action and not interchangeable with just any standard action. Since shot on the run and spring attack are specifically limited to the [i]attack[/i] action, that means they can't be used with any standard action which happens to include an attack. That being said, just because I understand why it doesn't work, and the reason for it, doesn't mean I like it. :p In the case of someone with spring attack doing a boot-powered charge and moving after- the sequence is so similar to a "normal" spring attack that I'd allow them to get the feat benefits in my game even if it's not RAW. Now I just need to talk my DM into the same point of view. ;) [/QUOTE]

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