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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fba827" data-source="post: 688001" data-attributes="member: 807">I figure I'll join in this beating of the dead horse ...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />As further evidence as to why Charisma can not equal beauty ....Beauty is subjective -- what one race or other character views as beautiful another race or character does not.Charisma is often described in the core books as how well the character can impose (poor choice of word on my part) his / her own will/mind onto others.  Beauty is physical attraciveness.  What a dwarf finds beautiful an elf may not necessarily agree.How good (measurable) is the character at fast talking others though, that is measurable and that is (part) of what Charisma represents (now different listeners have different levels of ability to withstand the fast talking but that's aside from this conversation).  Yes, it is entirely possible that the person is also beautiful, but one does not necessarily guarentee the other.I like to think of: Wisdom is to Constitution as Charisma is to Strength  (Wisdom and Constitution are mental and physical ways of awareness and defense where as Charism and Strength are mental and physical ways of imposing force upon another).  It's not the best description out there but it is a good guideline to help make the point I am trying to make -- i.e. no where in that equation does beauty fit. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />blah blah blah... okay, I'll stop beating the horse (or is it hong?) now; I need some sleep... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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