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Message: <blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7837933" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Warlock vs wizard in rituals is debatable.A wizard has access in their own class list to about 2 out of three of the about 3 dozen rituals that exist for all classes and can simply choose them. While they can augment these chosen free by using any written they find, its easy for them to get the ones they want. Additionally, they can choose to cast them without the ritual time. The warlock doesnt get any ritual ability until they get pact boon at 3rd and then get two first level. They have about four rituals in their class list but no ritual casting ability (not counting the sub-classes.) Sure, they can be of any class, but after those two they need to find and scribe - similar to the wizard's supplemental ones. It also costs an invocation. By the time the 3rd level comes round, it's likely a wizard will already be four or more rituals ahead and they can simply choose a good and desired ritual when they hit levels instead of having to find the written versions.So, starting later, dependent on found written, etc vs access to 36 instead of about 24 if they can find them... hard to see that as a slam dunk for warlocks being the better at rituals.</blockquote>