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Message: <blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7838455" data-attributes="member: 6919838">At 3rd level, after spending an invocation on the book and taking pact of the yome, the warlock has 5 known cantrips, 4 known spells 2 slots @2nd level plus 2 more castings per short rest. They also have two free rituals in the book.The wizard has 3 known cantrips, 10 known spells, expected to have 6 prepared, 4 1st level slots, two 2nd level slots and recovering another 2 levels of slots on a short rest. So the position that the warlock's ability to take one of his four known spells as one of its four Warlock rituals so that they can cast it directly not using the ritual book when the Wizard has *six * prepared spells and can just the same choose one of them or more as a ritual - that foes not seem to be a plus for the warlock. Warlock has four known that can change one at level up. Wizard has six prepped out of ten known and can change the six after a long rest.Sorry but that comparison does not favor at all the warlock. Look, you have your mind made up and that is fantastic. To me, its gonna be much more a case where the wizard is not second fiddle to the warlock at any tier -especislly in rituals. That's what my experience has shown. But on top of thst, in my experience, the wizard is much less dependent on "setting" and GM. A wizard can be strong even if they almost never find a scroll or spellbook. Your ritual tomelock not do much. As for your emphasis on the benefits of Charisma over Int, because I se plenty of need for active uses of investigation and insight in the social tiers (per DMG systems - again -changing attitude is not a Charisma thing - its insight or gaining info and using it - and shifts DCs by 10 to 20 points for the eventual check) and see plenty of gains from knowledge skills and investigation in the ecxploration challenges- I do not see a significant "failing" in value between those. If, in your gsmes, the gains from having a 16 Charisma and proficiencies proves to be a significant edge over having a 16 int and proficiencies overall - that is a facet of the campaign, not the system. I am not arguing the warlock is bad, just strongly disagreeing that it's better at any tier or at rituals.</blockquote>

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