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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7838505" data-attributes="member: 6750235">It's not a plus for the warlock.  I'm saying what a wizard can do is not what a wizard will do in that example.It's far easier to acquire rituals on wizard, no doubt about it.  I was illustrating what the tome warlock can do.  I think picking up unseen servant at 3rd level is worth it because the other 3 spells know will cover the slots well enough and unseen servant is a good spell as a ritual.As for the rituals themselves, it 3 rituals vs whatever rituals the wizard added by leveling.  Which spells do you think the wizard chose (all the spells) via class at 1st, 2nd, and 3rd level?  He had 6 at 1st level, 8 at 2nd level, and 10 at 3rd level.  He either has 1 2nd-level ritual, 2 2nd-level rituals and no other spells, 0 2nd-level rituals.  TBF, the warlock has 0 2nd-level rituals.My example of the warlock has the warlock spending 1 spell known on a ritual and gains 2 rituals for free.  3 rituals guaranteed, all 1st-level.  Your example of the wizard has the opportunity to have more rituals, but how many does he actually take?  What 2nd-level spells did he actually learn?  Gentle repose, magic mouth, and skywrite are the only 2nd-level wizard spells with the ritual tag.  They do not take priority over a lot of other 2nd-level wizard spells.  Magic mouth is the only one I would consider, and probably not until 4th level.There are 8 1st-level wizard rituals from which to choose: alarm, comprehend languages, detect magic, find familiar, identify, illusory script, tensor's floating disc, and unseen servant.  The tome warlock is already taking unseen servant and will add find familiar.  It's not likely the warlock is taking ceremony, detect poison and disease, or purify food and drink; he might take speak with animals because it's easier to find wizard books than bard/druid scrolls.Unless the wizard is spending half or more of the 1st-level spells he has in his book specifically on rituals they have about the same.  What's left after unseen servant and find familiar +1 more isn't a big deal.  I do like to take comprehend languages, identify, and detect magic.  Identify and detect magic are for flavor and convenience because of the default rules on identifying magic items.It's 5th level when 3rd-level rituals become available the that warlock hopes he's found some good stuff.As for the prepared spells, 6 vs 4 gives room for the cantrip, sure.  What spells does your wizard prep, then?  He just added 2 2nd-level spells, so he's taking those 2, so he's prepping 4 1st-level spells and your argument is one of them is a ritual.  Which one?  Not find familiar.  Maybe unseen servant but either example can cast that as a spell or ritual so then what?  I don't think any of those other rituals is likely to needed to be cast normally as opposed to a ritual, except maybe detect magic as a fringe case.The reliability to add rituals during leveling is easier.  The tome warlock can exceed the wizard sooner or later.  If anyone thinks grabbing a ritual off the cleric or druid lists is important that advantage exists at 3rd level.</blockquote>

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