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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 2748673" data-attributes="member: 1879">But leaving class out of it is missing the point of why it is a dump stat. Historically it was a dump stat in 1st and 2nd ed because it didn't really do anything for you. Sure a Paladin needed it, but only because the rules said so, not because he actually used it for anything. Mechanically CHR was almost meaningless.This changed in 3rd edition where it effecs certain skills for all characters, but (here is the important part) not for skills all characters need. In the generic campaign the party really only needs one 'face' character. Since certain classes make use of a high charisma mechanically in 3e it makes perfect sense leave public interaction to the pretty boy character  while your 1/2 orc barbarian lurks in the shadows and shuts up. Indeed if you think of each character from the stand point of party resources, it is wastefull of your 1/2 orc barb to put a high stat in Chr unless you have good rolls to burn. Otherwise he is less usefull than he could be at his primary job of chopping things to pieces and not dying. This is metagaming be sure, but it is the kind of metagaming that leads to sucessful parties. So there are times in 3rd ed where CHR is your lowest priority stat because A) Your characters class makes no mechanical use of it and B) Bob is playing a Bard.Nonetheless I don't think it's truely a Dump stat the way it was in prior editions. Then nobody really needed it, and the 'cheating' Crothian mentions was the order of the day. Now it's pretty much a certainty that at least one charatcer in the party and maybe half of them will have high charisma, even in the most dungeon crawly of campaigns.</blockquote>

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