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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Justin Bacon" data-source="post: 2748801" data-attributes="member: 3795">Charisma is vastly, vastly, vastly improved over previous editions. So vastly improved that its improvement could fill three layers of the Abyss and leave a little to spill over into Orcus' bathroom.But it's still the weakest of the stats.It's key failing is that it isn't a foundational stat for any general-purpose use.Strength directly affects melee attack rolls and damage rolls.Dexterity directly affects ranged attack rolls and AC and Reflex saves.Constitution directly affects hit points.Intelligence directly affects skill points.Wisdom directly affects Will saves.Charisma directly affects... umm... nothing."What about Charisma-based skills?" I hear you cry.Why, yes, there's seven of those. But they're not significantly superior to the skills tied to any of the other stats (with the exception of Constitution; but Constitution's boost to hit points already makes it a very, very useful stat).I would also argue that the Charisma skills often fall into something of a Catch-22: Many campaigns that emphasize social interactions tend to actually de-emphasize the Charisma-based skills because those campaigns are more interested in resolving those interactions through roleplaying. Campaigns that don't emphasize social interactions, OTOH, tend to de-emphasize Charisma skills because those social interactions aren't coming up on a regular basis. (This is, of course, a gross generalization. There are many groups to which these generalizations won't apply. But it's not the primary problem; it's just a contributing factor in many cases.)So, yes, I think Charisma can still be pointed to as the #1 Dump Stat in the game. The only people who worry about Charisma are those classes that depend on it for their class abilities. Lots of players use it as a dump stat. And I have never, ever seen a non-sorcerer PC with Charisma as their highest stat.Justin Alexander Bacon<a href="http://www.thealexandrian.net" target="_blank">http://www.thealexandrian.net</a></blockquote>

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