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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Eternalknight" data-source="post: 2749553" data-attributes="member: 1075">FWIW, my definition of 'dump stat' is putting yourlowest score (no matter what it is) into a stat.  If I roll 18, 17, 16, 15, 14 and 13, and put 13 into Cha, then it's still dumping the lowest score into it.Nothing in this thread has yet convinced me that most, though not all, people see Charisma as a dump stat.  The arguments that certain classes don't necesarrliy need Cha aren't overall true; one of the best characters I have seen was a Fighter with high Cha and the Leadership feat.  Even in this thread there has been talk about making Cha more useful, what with action points tied to Cha and Luck rolls based on it.  I guess I just don't see the need to implement house rules to make Cha more useful.  It may be because of the type of campaign I run or the way I DM, but I just don't see it.  Bare in mind I am not saying anyone else's opinion is wrong.</blockquote>