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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 2749817" data-attributes="member: 17296">I think it's worthless. In any game where you're going to be making a lot of charisma based skill checks you're much, much better off putting point in intelligence so you'll have the extra skill points to make those checks with. Unless you do something else with charisma, it's pretty near useless. Now, I've seen a number of house-rules on the subject. 1) Altering saving throws. Charima is now the Will saving throw stat (and reflex is on Wisdom, Dex gets none, it's strong enough already)2) Buying/selling bonuses based on Charisma. Although this is usually charisma and skills, which makes charisma secondary to intelligence once again.3) Non-combat NPC interactions. Low charisma people get ignored, or sometimes get more hostile reactions than higher charisma people. 4) Combat NPC interactions - Someone with a high charisma is more likely to be noticed when he wants to, and less likely when he doesn't. So I ask the player, are you trying to be 'noticed' in this combat? A high charisma person is usually picked last as a target unless he's actively trying to be picked first. So when as a GM I semi-randomly pick someone as the target of the X spell, or the Lycanthrope's ire, or whatever, the high Cha person is normally not it.But, as for pure RAW rules? It's a dump stat for anyone who isn't using it as a casting stat (I include turn attempts and laying on hands as casting for this criteria). Unless... of course ... you're trying the old "I have charimsma higher than GOD, and I can talk anyone into anything at any time" character concept. Which I generally Nix because I like my NPC's to be real. You can't talk them into something against their nature, even if you ARE a God. I don't care what your charisma is.</blockquote>

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