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<blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 1062340" data-attributes="member: 892">There is a distinction here:Charm person affects your mind, such that you see the new person as a friend. &quot;You would not act against your nature&quot; means that you would not suddenly forget about your other friends.&nbsp; But, you might let your &quot;new friend&quot; in on your secrets, or let your &quot;new friend&quot; past the post you are guarding (hey, its Joe, he's ok), and you would try to protect your &quot;new friend&quot; against your &quot;old friends&quot; if they have a fight.&nbsp; (But probably do so in a nonlethal manner, since you don't want to seriously hurt ANY of your friends).&nbsp; A rule of thumb is whether you are in a situation where you would attack your friends if you were not charmed.&nbsp; That samurai example, with total devotion to his lord, would be one example, but the samurai wouldn't attack a friend if someone other than his lord told him to.(The evil enchanter would do better to say &quot;I have just discovered that your lord is in danger and needs you at once.&nbsp; Don't worry, I'll guard your post here for you&quot; or &quot;I have just discovered that your friends have been killed and replaced by dopplegangers.&nbsp; How should we deal with these monsters?&quot;)Dominate person affects your body.&nbsp; Your mind might scream in rebellion at what you are doing, but it is pretty much stuck in the sidelines while your body is &quot;remote controlled&quot;.&nbsp; Here, attacking your friends would be against your nature (most likely, unless it is a situation where you would attack your friends if you were not dominated).&nbsp; Except for cases like the samurai, most people do not attack their friends.&nbsp; A good short definition of friend is &quot;someone who will not attack you&quot;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp;&nbsp; And the definition of neutral on the good-evil alignment access includes caring for close friends and family.&nbsp; So most cases of non-evil dominated people would have them acting against their natures if they attack their friends.&nbsp; Examples of a non-evil, non-insane person attacking one's friends not being against one's nature, would be rare indeed (and are the focuses of tragedy in stories &quot;Alas, I must attack my friend at the order of my lord&quot; or &quot;Alas, I must fight my friend because we are on opposite sides of this war&quot; or even &quot;Alas, I must kill my friend at the order of my lord&quot;.&nbsp; But one could be dominated and ordered to&nbsp; do other stuff that is not against one's nature.&nbsp; &quot;Give me your sword&quot; or &quot;run down that passageway and look for goblins&quot; is not against most PCs' nature in the way that &quot;kill your friends&quot; is.&nbsp; Its all in the phrasing.A fun one vs. enemy casters would be &quot;Start privately researching a new spell&quot; if you want to keep him occupied for a while.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Just my 2 cents.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Particle_Man, post: 1062340, member: 892"] There is a distinction here: Charm person affects your mind, such that you see the new person as a friend. "You would not act against your nature" means that you would not suddenly forget about your other friends. But, you might let your "new friend" in on your secrets, or let your "new friend" past the post you are guarding (hey, its Joe, he's ok), and you would try to protect your "new friend" against your "old friends" if they have a fight. (But probably do so in a nonlethal manner, since you don't want to seriously hurt ANY of your friends). A rule of thumb is whether you are in a situation where you would attack your friends if you were not charmed. That samurai example, with total devotion to his lord, would be one example, but the samurai wouldn't attack a friend if someone other than his lord told him to. (The evil enchanter would do better to say "I have just discovered that your lord is in danger and needs you at once. Don't worry, I'll guard your post here for you" or "I have just discovered that your friends have been killed and replaced by dopplegangers. How should we deal with these monsters?") Dominate person affects your body. Your mind might scream in rebellion at what you are doing, but it is pretty much stuck in the sidelines while your body is "remote controlled". Here, attacking your friends would be against your nature (most likely, unless it is a situation where you would attack your friends if you were not dominated). Except for cases like the samurai, most people do not attack their friends. A good short definition of friend is "someone who will not attack you" :) And the definition of neutral on the good-evil alignment access includes caring for close friends and family. So most cases of non-evil dominated people would have them acting against their natures if they attack their friends. Examples of a non-evil, non-insane person attacking one's friends not being against one's nature, would be rare indeed (and are the focuses of tragedy in stories "Alas, I must attack my friend at the order of my lord" or "Alas, I must fight my friend because we are on opposite sides of this war" or even "Alas, I must kill my friend at the order of my lord". But one could be dominated and ordered to do other stuff that is not against one's nature. "Give me your sword" or "run down that passageway and look for goblins" is not against most PCs' nature in the way that "kill your friends" is. Its all in the phrasing. A fun one vs. enemy casters would be "Start privately researching a new spell" if you want to keep him occupied for a while. :) Just my 2 cents. [/QUOTE]

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