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<blockquote data-quote="Hikikomori" data-source="post: 7807023" data-attributes="member: 7015860"><p>Thanks for pointing that out 5ekyu. I missed the connection between the description of the spell and the table in the DMG that allows us to quantify the effect of Charm Person. I agree with you it's a strong effect for a first level spell even in fifth edition. The first edition version is rivalled only by Sleep at that level for how much it can swing an interaction.</p><p></p><p>My concern isn't that Charm Person 5e is too weak, but rather that there is no replacement effect for the 1e version. That makes me think it's too strong to house rule it onto a creature a low level party could reasonably face so I'm looking for alternatives or other things I've missed. It also makes it hard to convert classic modules that depend on this level of enchantment being available.</p><p></p><p>And to erachima I was considering your suggestion of just making up a power but since this nerf to Charming is valid I worry that it's unfair to throw this kind of encounter at low level PCs. I suppose as long as I don't do any kind of long term domination against their characters it's not a big impact in terms of what they have to overcome.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hikikomori, post: 7807023, member: 7015860"] Thanks for pointing that out 5ekyu. I missed the connection between the description of the spell and the table in the DMG that allows us to quantify the effect of Charm Person. I agree with you it's a strong effect for a first level spell even in fifth edition. The first edition version is rivalled only by Sleep at that level for how much it can swing an interaction. My concern isn't that Charm Person 5e is too weak, but rather that there is no replacement effect for the 1e version. That makes me think it's too strong to house rule it onto a creature a low level party could reasonably face so I'm looking for alternatives or other things I've missed. It also makes it hard to convert classic modules that depend on this level of enchantment being available. And to erachima I was considering your suggestion of just making up a power but since this nerf to Charming is valid I worry that it's unfair to throw this kind of encounter at low level PCs. I suppose as long as I don't do any kind of long term domination against their characters it's not a big impact in terms of what they have to overcome. [/QUOTE]
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