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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7810687" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>Eh, no. The caster only became a trusted friend. You could order them to give you their home for free, and they would say no. Just like I would say no to a trusted friend who asked me to give my house to them. Charm has never been the god spell people misuse it as. This is the 1e language.</p><p></p><p>"Explanation/Description: This spell will affect any single person or mammal it is cast upon. The creature then will <strong>regard the druid who cast the spell as a trusted friend and ally to be heeded and protected</strong>. The spell d<strong>oes not enable the druid to control the charmed creature</strong> as if it were an automaton, but any word or action of the druid will be <strong>viewed in its most favorable way</strong>."</p><p></p><p>So you regard it as a trusted friend or ally to be heeded or protected, just like I view my best buddies. It does not enable control of the creature, so you cannot order it to do anything that isn't suicidal. Well, you can, but you will be ignored if you order it to do anything that you or I wouldn't do for our best friends. The charmed creatures has to view the request in its most favorable way. That does no say that it has to be favorable, only that it views in in the MOST favorable way. Well, the most favorable way I would view my best friend asking for my house or even my new living room furniture would be to say no.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>1e was intended to make the person view things in its most favorable way in the context of "best friend" making the request. Period. </p><p></p><p>Here is the 2e language. It's virtually identical to 1e, so yes, 2e also had no intention to make it a god spell like people misused it as.</p><p></p><p>"If the spell recipient fails his saving throw, <strong>he regards the caster as a trusted friend and ally to be heeded and protected</strong>. The spell<strong> does not enable the caster to control the charmed creature</strong> as if it were a automaton, but any word or action of the caster is <strong>viewed in the most favorable way</strong>."</p><p></p><p>The only change is "its" to "the" in the last sentence. Even so, THE most favorable way I would view my best friend asking for my house or even my new living room furniture would be to say no.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7810687, member: 23751"] Eh, no. The caster only became a trusted friend. You could order them to give you their home for free, and they would say no. Just like I would say no to a trusted friend who asked me to give my house to them. Charm has never been the god spell people misuse it as. This is the 1e language. "Explanation/Description: This spell will affect any single person or mammal it is cast upon. The creature then will [B]regard the druid who cast the spell as a trusted friend and ally to be heeded and protected[/B]. The spell d[B]oes not enable the druid to control the charmed creature[/B] as if it were an automaton, but any word or action of the druid will be [B]viewed in its most favorable way[/B]." So you regard it as a trusted friend or ally to be heeded or protected, just like I view my best buddies. It does not enable control of the creature, so you cannot order it to do anything that isn't suicidal. Well, you can, but you will be ignored if you order it to do anything that you or I wouldn't do for our best friends. The charmed creatures has to view the request in its most favorable way. That does no say that it has to be favorable, only that it views in in the MOST favorable way. Well, the most favorable way I would view my best friend asking for my house or even my new living room furniture would be to say no. 1e was intended to make the person view things in its most favorable way in the context of "best friend" making the request. Period. Here is the 2e language. It's virtually identical to 1e, so yes, 2e also had no intention to make it a god spell like people misused it as. "If the spell recipient fails his saving throw, [B]he regards the caster as a trusted friend and ally to be heeded and protected[/B]. The spell[B] does not enable the caster to control the charmed creature[/B] as if it were a automaton, but any word or action of the caster is [B]viewed in the most favorable way[/B]." The only change is "its" to "the" in the last sentence. Even so, THE most favorable way I would view my best friend asking for my house or even my new living room furniture would be to say no. [/QUOTE]
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