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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 8673800" data-attributes="member: 2629">As always, ask your DM because they are the final say.My definition of harm may be broader than others.&nbsp; They could have used the word damage - but selected a different word.&nbsp; To me, harm is different than damage, and damage is not a pure subset of harm. For example, if you charm a parent and then murder their child in front of them, that is harmful to the parent.&nbsp; They would never recover from the trauma of watching their child murdered right in front of them.&nbsp; That, in my book, would certainly be something harmful to that parent. To that end, I put an evaluation on each event and ask whether the target would suffer harm - physical or emotional - from the situation.&nbsp; On the flip side, I would not necessariy give someone a save in the caster or their ally damaged the target if the target isn't particularly concerned with a little damage.&nbsp; To me, there has to be a significant disontinuity between the actions of the caster (or their allies) and the notion that they are friendly with the target.&nbsp; As an&nbsp; example from Critical Role, there have been plenty of times that Grog asked his allies to go ahead and hurt him to amuse himself or to test things out.&nbsp; If the target had a clear belief that the situation was all in fun, even if it dealt real damage, I would give no save because to me, that damage is not considered harm by the target.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 8673800, member: 2629"] As always, ask your DM because they are the final say. My definition of harm may be broader than others. They could have used the word damage - but selected a different word. To me, harm is different than damage, and damage is not a pure subset of harm. For example, if you charm a parent and then murder their child in front of them, that is harmful to the parent. They would never recover from the trauma of watching their child murdered right in front of them. That, in my book, would certainly be something harmful to that parent. To that end, I put an evaluation on each event and ask whether the target would suffer harm - physical or emotional - from the situation. On the flip side, I would not necessariy give someone a save in the caster or their ally damaged the target if the target isn't particularly concerned with a little damage. To me, there has to be a significant disontinuity between the actions of the caster (or their allies) and the notion that they are friendly with the target. As an example from Critical Role, there have been plenty of times that Grog asked his allies to go ahead and hurt him to amuse himself or to test things out. If the target had a clear belief that the situation was all in fun, even if it dealt real damage, I would give no save because to me, that damage is not considered harm by the target. [/QUOTE]

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