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<blockquote data-quote="frankthedm" data-source="post: 5434824" data-attributes="member: 1164">It is the DM's decision how to read that passage. &quot;If the creature is currently being threatened or attacked by you or your allies, however, it receives a +5 bonus on its saving throw.&quot; Generally I'd treat it as any noticeable offensive actions that in some way effects the target, not merely having initiative rolled. It is vague and up to the DM. Some people forget that the spell specifically calls out the option to give orders. <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=+site:enworld.org+enworld.org+charm+person&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=DA03TZT1OYKKlwf648DLAg&amp;ved=0CBwQrQIwAA" target="_blank">Here are some links for more discussion.</a>The spell does not enable you to control the charmed person as if it were an automaton, but it perceives your words and actions in the most favorable way. You can try to give the subject orders, but you must win an opposed Charisma check to convince it to do anything it wouldn’t ordinarily do. (Retries are not allowed.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="frankthedm, post: 5434824, member: 1164"] It is the DM's decision how to read that passage. "If the creature is currently being threatened or attacked by you or your allies, however, it receives a +5 bonus on its saving throw." Generally I'd treat it as any noticeable offensive actions that in some way effects the target, not merely having initiative rolled. It is vague and up to the DM. Some people forget that the spell specifically calls out the option to give orders. [URL="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:enworld.org+enworld.org+charm+person&sa=X&ei=DA03TZT1OYKKlwf648DLAg&ved=0CBwQrQIwAA"][SIZE="3"]Here are some links for more discussion.[/SIZE][/URL] [I]The spell does not enable you to control the charmed person as if it were an automaton, but it perceives your words and actions in the most favorable way. [U]You can try to give the subject orders, but you must win an opposed Charisma check to convince it to do anything it wouldn’t ordinarily do. (Retries are not allowed.)[/U][/I] [/QUOTE]

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