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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8466955" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>All use of mind control violates the will of another sentient being. One can construct a hypothetical in which it is necessary to prevent a greater (or simply more personally urgent) evil, but violating a person’s most fundamental being is vastly more similar to using sexual violation and torture to get what you want than it is to nearly any other form of violence. </p><p></p><p> I don’t beleive that a person could learn how to violate the minds, the conscious will, of others sentient beings, without catastrophic trauma to their own conscience and self-identity. For a person to willingly learn that…skill set, would require them to not view other sentient beings as people with a right to live and act of thier own accord. </p><p> </p><p>Learning to fight requires nothing more than being willing to fight if you have to, to enjoy physical contest and challenge, or even just to want to be in shape. </p><p> </p><p>The two are so wildly different on every level that I’m always a bit…I don’t know the right word here. It’s like having people seriously claim that the air is water and I’m actually a hallucinating fish, and trying to explain why that isn’t the case. </p><p></p><p>We can dismiss out of hand your first claim, simply by looking at any example of consensual violence. </p><p> </p><p>Violence is also quite often not especially lasting in impact. I’ve fought more neo-nazis and other white supremacists than most folks have, I reckon, but I never put anyone in the hospital, much less killed anyone. </p><p> </p><p>I would yeet myself out of this mortal coil before I’d allow someone to mind-violate a neo-nazi to force them to change their thinking. Kicking thier ass to teach them to stay away from my friend’s bar or stop hitting on my other friend’s teenage sister is an act of Good. The other thing would be detestable evil worthy of the strongest legal punishment allowable by the laws of my country. </p><p></p><p>Depends on who you ask, but sure. Most of us don’t label soldiers evil. Of course, if they were also the people starting the wars, we would. </p><p> </p><p>Likewise, if we had a world where mind control was used by every army, I’d only consider the leaders necessarily evil, whereas the soldiers would generally be a matter of personal action. So, I don’t think the soldier example really tracks. </p><p></p><p>You really think those two things are the same? You really think that “used only against sentient beings” is anyone’s problem with mind control?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8466955, member: 6704184"] All use of mind control violates the will of another sentient being. One can construct a hypothetical in which it is necessary to prevent a greater (or simply more personally urgent) evil, but violating a person’s most fundamental being is vastly more similar to using sexual violation and torture to get what you want than it is to nearly any other form of violence. I don’t beleive that a person could learn how to violate the minds, the conscious will, of others sentient beings, without catastrophic trauma to their own conscience and self-identity. For a person to willingly learn that…skill set, would require them to not view other sentient beings as people with a right to live and act of thier own accord. Learning to fight requires nothing more than being willing to fight if you have to, to enjoy physical contest and challenge, or even just to want to be in shape. The two are so wildly different on every level that I’m always a bit…I don’t know the right word here. It’s like having people seriously claim that the air is water and I’m actually a hallucinating fish, and trying to explain why that isn’t the case. We can dismiss out of hand your first claim, simply by looking at any example of consensual violence. Violence is also quite often not especially lasting in impact. I’ve fought more neo-nazis and other white supremacists than most folks have, I reckon, but I never put anyone in the hospital, much less killed anyone. I would yeet myself out of this mortal coil before I’d allow someone to mind-violate a neo-nazi to force them to change their thinking. Kicking thier ass to teach them to stay away from my friend’s bar or stop hitting on my other friend’s teenage sister is an act of Good. The other thing would be detestable evil worthy of the strongest legal punishment allowable by the laws of my country. Depends on who you ask, but sure. Most of us don’t label soldiers evil. Of course, if they were also the people starting the wars, we would. Likewise, if we had a world where mind control was used by every army, I’d only consider the leaders necessarily evil, whereas the soldiers would generally be a matter of personal action. So, I don’t think the soldier example really tracks. You really think those two things are the same? You really think that “used only against sentient beings” is anyone’s problem with mind control? [/QUOTE]
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