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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 8467056" data-attributes="member: 53980">Sure, learning to torture people is arguably evil. However, mind control is not equivalent to torture. Granted, it could be used for abhorrent torture. A belt knife could be used to inflict cruel torture, or simply used to open and flatten cardboard boxes.Say that a bandit is about to murder a child. If a mage casts suggestion and says something along the lines of, "This is turning out to be more trouble than it's worth. You should immediately leave," how is that torture in any meaningful sense of the term? There is nothing cruel about the suggestion. It is used to save the life of a child, not for selfish purposes. It leaves the bandit's will intact beyond the act of leaving the immediate area. He could leave and go to the tavern to drink, hunt for dinner, or go back to his camp and knit a scarf. His will has been technically violated, but it's (IMO) far more merciful than if the mage had cast magic missile, injuring or even killing the bandit.</blockquote>