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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8471104" data-attributes="member: 84112"><p>and where did I suggest not stopping them?</p><p></p><p></p><p>again where did I say not to stop them?</p><p></p><p>excpet it is your argument at a larger scale (as long as it ends good it doesn't matter what you do)</p><p></p><p>excuse me, but you in this very reply said I said to not stop a murder... and not only did I not say that but I have never disagreed the end point (murder stopped) wasn't a good end... it is the means I am talking about not the ends.</p><p></p><p></p><p>but what if ruleing the world was the means to stop them (yes i added theft, is that a problem?) as long as his ends "stop bad thing" is good then his means "take over world" is too... just like "stop killer" is good (I think we all agree) but mind control is bad (we do not agree here) makes it Okay and justfies it. </p><p></p><p>replace mind control with kill</p><p>replace mind control with beat to a bloody pulp</p><p>replace mind control with beat up bad</p><p>replace mind control with beat up</p><p>replace mind control with punch in throat</p><p>replace mind control with punch in nose</p><p>replace mind control with takle and take away weapon</p><p>replace mind control with talk down</p><p></p><p>is talking someone out of murder the exact same as killing someone to stop the murder? both stop the murder. Do the means matter?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I doubt it... because the question "is mind control bad" is separate from "can bad things be used for good ends"</p><p>maybe if you phrase it right you can get them to agree with you, but when you seperate the means from the ends I am very sure of most people agreeing...</p><p></p><p></p><p>no it isn't. Mind control is a violation of the deepest order.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8471104, member: 84112"] and where did I suggest not stopping them? again where did I say not to stop them? excpet it is your argument at a larger scale (as long as it ends good it doesn't matter what you do) excuse me, but you in this very reply said I said to not stop a murder... and not only did I not say that but I have never disagreed the end point (murder stopped) wasn't a good end... it is the means I am talking about not the ends. but what if ruleing the world was the means to stop them (yes i added theft, is that a problem?) as long as his ends "stop bad thing" is good then his means "take over world" is too... just like "stop killer" is good (I think we all agree) but mind control is bad (we do not agree here) makes it Okay and justfies it. replace mind control with kill replace mind control with beat to a bloody pulp replace mind control with beat up bad replace mind control with beat up replace mind control with punch in throat replace mind control with punch in nose replace mind control with takle and take away weapon replace mind control with talk down is talking someone out of murder the exact same as killing someone to stop the murder? both stop the murder. Do the means matter? I doubt it... because the question "is mind control bad" is separate from "can bad things be used for good ends" maybe if you phrase it right you can get them to agree with you, but when you seperate the means from the ends I am very sure of most people agreeing... no it isn't. Mind control is a violation of the deepest order. [/QUOTE]
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