Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Charm, the evil spells
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8471132" data-attributes="member: 84112"><p>okay, so you perform a pretty evil dark act (taking away someone's free will) and the ends is good... you stop the bad guy.</p><p></p><p>in the real world sometimes cops have to shoot people.</p><p>in the real world sometimes countries have to defend themselves by going to war</p><p>in the real world someone had to make the choice to nuke 2 cities to end a war...</p><p></p><p>ends can be good with bad means. the ends do not EVER excuse the means.</p><p></p><p>if keffer sutherland tortures a guy then kills two more, speeds through the city causeing massive amounts of car accadents were inocent people are hurt, BUT stops the nuke from going off savinging millions... he still did bad things.</p><p></p><p>no it isn't. the fact that you need to go to such an extreme to find a justification is telling.</p><p></p><p>okay then what is?</p><p></p><p>no you are placing goal posts... this is my thread from my OP about the act of mind control in general not a spesfic case... however the fact that you need to go to extreme cases to find a corner case of a good end is again telling...</p><p></p><p>if stopping murder is good, and saving life is good and helping someone eat healthy is good where is the line?</p><p></p><p>your right... they are only relelvent to the discussion of sometimes good people do bad things to stop other worse bad things... this doesn't make the bad thing a good thing.</p><p></p><p>then you get to choose, will you do a bad thing to save someone?</p><p></p><p>it is the same question with a gun.</p><p></p><p>If I (me, not you not some cop, not some theoretical person) had a gun and could shoot the guy across the street before he stabs a child, I don't think I could do it. I don't think I could take a life to save a life. taking a life is so far out of my ability it isn't funny.</p><p></p><p>now replace a child with MY child (I don't have kids so this has to be theroetical) maybe that changes... I have been told by many that it does.</p><p></p><p>now replace gun/kill with forcable take control of someone's mind. it is such a difference because I know it isn't real... if it was I don't think I could.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8471132, member: 84112"] okay, so you perform a pretty evil dark act (taking away someone's free will) and the ends is good... you stop the bad guy. in the real world sometimes cops have to shoot people. in the real world sometimes countries have to defend themselves by going to war in the real world someone had to make the choice to nuke 2 cities to end a war... ends can be good with bad means. the ends do not EVER excuse the means. if keffer sutherland tortures a guy then kills two more, speeds through the city causeing massive amounts of car accadents were inocent people are hurt, BUT stops the nuke from going off savinging millions... he still did bad things. no it isn't. the fact that you need to go to such an extreme to find a justification is telling. okay then what is? no you are placing goal posts... this is my thread from my OP about the act of mind control in general not a spesfic case... however the fact that you need to go to extreme cases to find a corner case of a good end is again telling... if stopping murder is good, and saving life is good and helping someone eat healthy is good where is the line? your right... they are only relelvent to the discussion of sometimes good people do bad things to stop other worse bad things... this doesn't make the bad thing a good thing. then you get to choose, will you do a bad thing to save someone? it is the same question with a gun. If I (me, not you not some cop, not some theoretical person) had a gun and could shoot the guy across the street before he stabs a child, I don't think I could do it. I don't think I could take a life to save a life. taking a life is so far out of my ability it isn't funny. now replace a child with MY child (I don't have kids so this has to be theroetical) maybe that changes... I have been told by many that it does. now replace gun/kill with forcable take control of someone's mind. it is such a difference because I know it isn't real... if it was I don't think I could. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Charm, the evil spells
Top
