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<blockquote data-quote="Vegepygmy" data-source="post: 4829938" data-attributes="member: 40109"><p>PHB, page 172:</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Multiple Mental Control Effects: </span></span></span></span></em><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Sometimes magical effects that</span></span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">establish mental control render each other irrelevant. For example, a</span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"></p> </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><p style="text-align: left"></p> </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px">hold person </span></span></span></span></em></p> </p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px">effect renders any other form of mental control irrelevant</span></span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">because it robs the subject of the ability to move. Mental controls</span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">that don’t remove the recipient’s ability to act usually do not</span></span></p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">interfere with each other. For example, a person who has received a</span></span></p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"></p> </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><p style="text-align: left"></p> </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px">geas/quest </span></span></span></span></em></p> </p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px">spell can also be subjected to a </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px">charm person </span></span></span></span></em><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px">spell. The</span></span></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px">charmed </span></span></span></span></em></p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px">person remains committed to fulfilling the quest, however,</span></span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">and resists any order that interferes with that goal. In this case, the</span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"></p> </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><p style="text-align: left"></p> </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px">geas/quest </span></span></span></span></em></p> </p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px">spell doesn’t negate </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px">charm person</span></span></span></span></em><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px">, but it does reduce its</span></span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">effectiveness, just as nonmagical devotion to a quest would. If a</span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">creature is under the mental control of two or more creatures, it</span></span></p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">tends to obey each to the best of its ability, and to the extent of the</span></span></p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">control each effect allows. <strong>If the controlled creature receives</strong></span></span></p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><strong>conflicting orders simultaneously, the competing controllers must</strong></span></span></p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><strong>make opposed Charisma checks to determine which one the</strong></span></span></p> </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><p style="text-align: left"></p> </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"><p style="text-align: left"></p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><strong>creature obeys.</strong></span></span></p><p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left">(Sorry about the formatting)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vegepygmy, post: 4829938, member: 40109"] PHB, page 172: [I][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1]Multiple Mental Control Effects: [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1] [LEFT][/LEFT][/SIZE][LEFT][/left][/FONT][LEFT][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1]Sometimes magical effects that[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]establish mental control render each other irrelevant. For example, a[/FONT][/SIZE] [LEFT][/LEFT][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][LEFT][/left][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][LEFT][I][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1]hold person [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1] [LEFT][/LEFT][/SIZE][LEFT][/left][/FONT][LEFT][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1]effect renders any other form of mental control irrelevant[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]because it robs the subject of the ability to move. Mental controls[/FONT][/SIZE] [LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]that don’t remove the recipient’s ability to act usually do not[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]interfere with each other. For example, a person who has received a[/FONT][/SIZE] [/LEFT][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][LEFT][/left][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][LEFT][I][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1]geas/quest [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1] [LEFT][/LEFT][/SIZE][LEFT][/left][/FONT][LEFT][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1]spell can also be subjected to a [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1]charm person [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1]spell. The[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [I][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1]charmed [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/LEFT] [FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1] [LEFT][/LEFT][/SIZE][LEFT][/left][/FONT][LEFT][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1]person remains committed to fulfilling the quest, however,[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]and resists any order that interferes with that goal. In this case, the[/FONT][/SIZE] [LEFT][/LEFT][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][LEFT][/left][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][LEFT][I][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1]geas/quest [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1] [LEFT][/LEFT][/SIZE][LEFT][/left][/FONT][LEFT][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1]spell doesn’t negate [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua-Italic][SIZE=1]charm person[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1], but it does reduce its[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]effectiveness, just as nonmagical devotion to a quest would. If a[/FONT][/SIZE] [LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]creature is under the mental control of two or more creatures, it[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]tends to obey each to the best of its ability, and to the extent of the[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]control each effect allows. [B]If the controlled creature receives[/B][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][B]conflicting orders simultaneously, the competing controllers must[/B][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][B]make opposed Charisma checks to determine which one the[/B][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][LEFT][/left][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][LEFT][/LEFT] [/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua] [LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][B]creature obeys.[/B][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT] [/FONT][/SIZE] [LEFT](Sorry about the formatting)[/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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