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Message: <blockquote data-quote="abirdcall" data-source="post: 8447173" data-attributes="member: 6748898">To me the initiative system is an abstract solution to who gets to go first. It doesn't need to follow what is happening in the narrative but it does need to exist to allow for different narrative options.If someone cast Charm Person and it failed then it stands to reason the target would be upset and might fight.But that's not what I'm asking.Does a fight happen before the Charm Person is cast? The initiative system allows for an enemy to attack before the PC does a hostile action and vice versa. If a PC is going to cast Fireball I instead call for initiative and if someone beats their initiative then it gets explained away such as 'they see the intent in your eyes before you can act'. The question then is whether the game needs to account for that with enchantment spells? If I cast Suggestion on a knight to ask them to give their horse to the first beggar they see can that knight win initiative and strike me down before I talk? Or put another way do we want that opportunity supported in the fiction?For me I want to allow a space for enchantments and to me that means they can happen before initiative is rolled in the right circumstances. That makes them powerful but otherwise they would be too weak.The fae spirit already exists. The spell was cast 30 minutes ago. They just teleport to a nearby space and then choose a creature to be charmed by them and the caster. The charmed condition itself is not harmful. It just means the target cannot attack the charmer and the charmer has advantage on Charisma checks. So the charmer can't even get the target to do anything they don't already want to do.So the question then is if the fae spirit teleports is initiative called? Is initiative only called if the spirit wants to charm another creature after teleporting?As for reacting to a spell being cast they can say 'wtf are you doing?' without initiative.</blockquote>

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