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<blockquote data-quote="WayneLigon" data-source="post: 4453682" data-attributes="member: 3649">I'm generally a very non-confrontational person but the only times I've ever thrown people out of my game have been for cheating. Consistant, blatant, casual cheating in everything from rolling dice to how XP is figured, treasure is divided, or (in point-based systems) how a PC was built.It's not a playstyle choice, it's not a symptom of some 'darkness', it's damn cheating and you shouldn't have to put up with it.&nbsp; If cheating is what they find fun, then yeah, I'll judge 'em for it; I'll be judge, jury and executioner. Their fun is automatically everyone else's non-fun. They're cheaters and there's no two ways about it. They toss people out of school for it, politicians careers are destroyed because of it, they make athletes resign and pay back millions or go to jail, etc etc. Tolerating it cheapens and lessens the experience for everyone. Yes, it does 'hurt' everyone both by her breaking the rules of the game and getting away with it, and by their tolerance of it. To tolerate it is just as silly as saying 'hey, stealing from the bank is OK, everyone has insurance for it so no-one really gets hurt'. What does her best friend have to say about this? Is this person also aware of her cheating and what do they feel about it? Have you broached the subject of 'If I throw X out of the game for being a craven liar, what will you do?'I hope the 'cheering her on' thing works and keeps people's eyes on her dice but if it doesn't then you need to sit her down and tell her straight to her face that you've noticed a problem and not to be a filthy cheater. If that doesn't work, boot her. I don't see what more you can do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WayneLigon, post: 4453682, member: 3649"] I'm generally a very non-confrontational person but the only times I've ever thrown people out of my game have been for cheating. Consistant, blatant, casual cheating in everything from rolling dice to how XP is figured, treasure is divided, or (in point-based systems) how a PC was built. It's not a playstyle choice, it's not a symptom of some 'darkness', it's damn [I]cheating[/I] and you shouldn't have to put up with it. If cheating is what they find fun, then yeah, I'll judge 'em for it; I'll be judge, jury and executioner. Their fun is automatically everyone else's non-fun. They're cheaters and there's no two ways about it. They toss people out of school for it, politicians careers are destroyed because of it, they make athletes resign and pay back millions or go to jail, etc etc. Tolerating it cheapens and lessens the experience for everyone. Yes, it does 'hurt' everyone both by her breaking the rules of the game and getting away with it, and by their tolerance of it. To tolerate it is just as silly as saying 'hey, stealing from the bank is OK, everyone has insurance for it so no-one really gets hurt'. What does her best friend have to say about this? Is this person also aware of her cheating and what do they feel about it? Have you broached the subject of 'If I throw X out of the game for being a craven liar, what will you do?' I hope the 'cheering her on' thing works and keeps people's eyes on her dice but if it doesn't then you need to sit her down and tell her straight to her face that you've noticed a problem and not to be a filthy cheater. If that doesn't work, boot her. I don't see what more you can do. [/QUOTE]

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