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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wyrmshadows" data-source="post: 4454465" data-attributes="member: 56166">You cheat, you get called on it.  I would warn once privately that if I catch her cheating again she's no longer welcome at my table. She can take her 'playstyle' <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> somewhere else. I am not going to bend over backwards to accomodate someone who has a problem with following a simple instruction....don't cheat. I'm also not going to create an elaborate in game situation to prove to her that cheating is wrong. If she cannot grasp the basics of social/game etiquette she needs to find another hobby or play with gamers as dysfunctional as she is. What is she, 9 years old? Did her mommy and daddy not model proper social contracts/etiquette? Is she harboring low self esteem? Is it really right to call cheating wrong? Maybe lying to you and everyone else at the table is just another playstyle and we don't want to be intolerant and call anything wrongbadfun....heavens no. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> I call BS on all that psychobabble/politically correct/relativistic nonsense. We all know that cheating is wrong. Even when we do it, if it in any way impacts others adversly, it is wrong. Lying in a game when everyone else is honest is negative impact by betraying the social contract of the hobby.  I work as a counselor and I find that the worst thing you can do is coddle someone's misbehavior. When I work with someone (in a mental health facility) the first thing that needs to be established is what is and what is not appropriate behavior and then clearly note the consequences for inappropriate behavior. After 8yrs of doing this work, I have found that without the threat of serious consequences there is unlikely to be any change of non-pathological (ie. non mental illness related) behavior. I haven't had someone cheat at my table since me and my players were kids, when some of us actually believed that you could win a RPing game. What benefit is there to actually lying to everyone at the table when they are all taking the same risks and respecting the game, the DM, and each other by playing by the rules? If I cheat on an single player PC or XBOX 360 game it is only because I want to win. I want to complete the game and I don't want to be unable to get past a given level. I would cheat because the satisfaction of seeing it out to the end in order to see how the story plays out and I may have paid $50 for the game. Honestly, I just want to get through it and once I do I'll trade it in or sell it on ebay. However, it is a really crappy move to cheat on a multiplayer game because others are involved and there is an unspoken understanding amongst individuals older than 12yrs old (at the latest) that cheating is a no-no.  IMO if you allow cheating, just close the books, put away the dice and everyone sit in a circle and just tell each other stories about how cool each others imaginary personas are. Ultimately, without dice, rules, and the random element RPing games are just Grown Up Story Time. *I apologize if some of this post sounds snarky. I just have a pet peeve about RPing game cheaters as well as any excuse making for them.*   Wyrmshadows</blockquote>

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