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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wyrmshadows" data-source="post: 4454749" data-attributes="member: 56166">That's what having a strong opinion is these days. Just like cheating is an acceptable playstyle. Because we all know that all points of view are equally valid. We could get into the endless loop of: "Well you can't say that a cheater's playstyle is invalid because all points of view are equally valid. If you say otherwise you are being judgmental" "If all points of view are equally valid then my point of view that cheaters should be bounced from the game is valid. If you say otherwise you are being judgmental" GAME OVER Another's point of view only ever has as much credibility as you subjectively grant it. We are always making judgments. So the mantra of 'don't be judgmental' is really saying 'don't be discerning, don't filter, allow every point of view equal weight.' This is a recipe for madness.  Don't create a straw man and then knock it down. I said no such thing. The fact is that most people's behaviors only change when there is a consequence for misbahavior.  I'd like to see folks who play poker act as if "its just a game, let her cheat if she is having fun." That attitude doesn't even exist among friends who get together to play Trivial Pursuit or Monopoly unless they've all gotten so drunk that they no longer care about the rules (which I have seen happen). No one enjoys playing with cheaters and most people (adults anyway) would be incredulous that someone is going to cheat regularly at any social game.   That's a weak argument. I can ask the same thing from a different angle. "If it is only a game and it doesn't matter, with no real risk, rewards or consequences then why go out of your way to cheat?"  The answer is that of course there are rewards to RPing games. The rewards are psychological and as real for those involved as for those involved in any activity where there is an element of risk (randomness, loss of a valued character, in-game consequences for action or inaction, etc.) Sports, board games, anything we do socially that doesn't involve actual risk to life and limb as part of the activity and whose payoff is ultimately psychological matters to those involved. If it didn't, they wouldn't be involved in the activity.  Telling the poste of the OP not to tolerate cheating is not telling someone how to have fun. The OP wanted to know how to deal with a cheater and I told him how I would handle it and pointed out the fact that behavior doesn't change without the threat of consequences ie. you cheat, you don't play. Just the way it is.  Wyrmshadows</blockquote>

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