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<blockquote data-quote="cougent" data-source="post: 4456983" data-attributes="member: 48665">Although I completely disagree with your assessment up until this point it seemed to at least be consistent.&nbsp; &quot;Why make a big deal over something one player does that bothers almost no one&quot; (my paraphrase of all your posts).&nbsp; But now you seem to be crossing your own boundaries and going out of your way to accommodate the cheater with the statement &quot;I would also ask the others &quot;why does it bother you?&quot; If it's something you can easily get over, we'd all be better off if you got over it. On either side.&quot;&nbsp; I would personally be extremely offended if a DM asked me to just &quot;go along&quot; with another player cheating and being curious as to &quot;why it bothered me&quot;.It is one thing to hold a belief that it is &quot;no big deal&quot; for yourself, and be OK with the single player cheating you as DM.&nbsp; However to then even suggest to the group (2 or more) that they also should consider it no big deal either seems to be pushing an agenda... a bad agenda IMO on top of that!Bottom line, in trying to (over) accommodate the cheating player, you would loose a different player instead who believes cheating is just plain WRONG (not a play style).&nbsp; Depending on your group status quo, you could easily loose even more by trying to appease the cheater rather than possibly loosing the cheater by confronting them.&nbsp; In terms of group stability and &quot;fun&quot; that seems counter intuitive to me.From my perspective as a DM, it would bother me because I host games in my home.&nbsp; If this person will cheat (lie) about something as trivial as a game, what else might they do?&nbsp;&nbsp; Will they smoke in my bathrooms instead of going outside (I am a non-smoker and very sensitive to smoke)?&nbsp; Will they toss in $4 for pizza and claim they put in $10 like all the rest and have us make up the difference?&nbsp; Will a miniature that they really like disappear from my collection one night?&nbsp; Where did that new $40 WotC book go that I just bought?&nbsp; I believe tolerating it is just asking it to escalate, human nature is to continue to push the envelope further and further; not to reach a certain level and be content.&nbsp; I would have to speak directly (and privately) to the player and have it cease or them leave.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cougent, post: 4456983, member: 48665"] Although I completely disagree with your assessment up until this point it seemed to at least be consistent. "Why make a big deal over something one player does that bothers almost no one" (my paraphrase of all your posts). But now you [I]seem[/I] to be crossing your own boundaries and going out of your way to accommodate the cheater with the statement [U]"I would also ask the others "why does it bother you?" If it's something you can easily get over, we'd all be better off if you got over it. On either side."[/U] I would personally be extremely offended if a DM asked me to just "go along" with another player cheating and being curious as to "why it bothered me". It is one thing to hold a belief that it is "no big deal" for yourself, and be OK with the single player cheating you as DM. However to then even suggest to the group (2 or more) that they also should consider it no big deal either seems to be pushing an agenda... a bad agenda IMO on top of that! Bottom line, in trying to (over) accommodate the cheating player, you would loose a different player instead who believes cheating is just plain WRONG (not a play style). Depending on your group status quo, you could easily loose even more by trying to appease the cheater rather than possibly loosing the cheater by confronting them. In terms of group stability and "fun" that seems counter intuitive to me. From my perspective as a DM, it would bother me because I host games in my home. If this person will cheat (lie) about something as trivial as a game, what else might they do? Will they smoke in my bathrooms instead of going outside (I am a non-smoker and very sensitive to smoke)? Will they toss in $4 for pizza and claim they put in $10 like all the rest and have us make up the difference? Will a miniature that they really like disappear from my collection one night? Where did that new $40 WotC book go that I just bought? I believe tolerating it is just asking it to escalate, human nature is to continue to push the envelope further and further; not to reach a certain level and be content. I would have to speak directly (and privately) to the player and have it cease or them leave. [/QUOTE]

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