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<blockquote data-quote="Rel" data-source="post: 4457961" data-attributes="member: 99">With due respect to Fifth Element and jmucchiello, I think there is a bit of a false dichotomy being set up regarding accepting this behavior or losing a friend.&nbsp; Not accepting the cheating at the game table does not have to equate with losing the friend.&nbsp; It might result in that but, if it did, I don't think that the onus is on the non-cheater.If I were to learn that one of my players had a habit of cheating then I'd talk with them about it and ask that it stop.&nbsp; If it did not stop then I would simply tell them that I wasn't willing to game with them anymore.&nbsp; I wouldn't stop inviting them to cookouts or birthday parties.&nbsp; I wouldn't ask that they be excluded from the annual Christmas drawing.&nbsp; I wouldn't refuse to help them move furniture.&nbsp; We could still be friends.&nbsp; I just wouldn't game with them unless and until they agreed not to engage in the cheating anymore.Now, it's possible that by me refusing to game with them that THEY would choose not to continue the friendship.&nbsp; And that would be very sad.&nbsp; But that is on their shoulders, not mine.&nbsp; It is them who is choosing to not be friends over &quot;something as silly as a game&quot;.A big part of my philosophy regarding friends is that we are here to support each other.&nbsp; But that doesn't mean &quot;right or wrong&quot;.&nbsp; It means we pat each other on the back for doing right and we call each other out for doing wrong.&nbsp; A stranger isn't going to do you the courtesy of telling you that you're acting out of selfishness, greed or malice.&nbsp; The times that my friends told me that I was doing something that was beneath me, those were the times that I knew I had good friends.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rel, post: 4457961, member: 99"] With due respect to Fifth Element and jmucchiello, I think there is a bit of a false dichotomy being set up regarding accepting this behavior or losing a friend. Not accepting the cheating at the game table does not have to equate with losing the friend. It might result in that but, if it did, I don't think that the onus is on the non-cheater. If I were to learn that one of my players had a habit of cheating then I'd talk with them about it and ask that it stop. If it did not stop then I would simply tell them that I wasn't willing to game with them anymore. I wouldn't stop inviting them to cookouts or birthday parties. I wouldn't ask that they be excluded from the annual Christmas drawing. I wouldn't refuse to help them move furniture. We could still be friends. I just wouldn't game with them unless and until they agreed not to engage in the cheating anymore. Now, it's possible that by me refusing to game with them that THEY would choose not to continue the friendship. And that would be very sad. But that is on their shoulders, not mine. It is them who is choosing to not be friends over "something as silly as a game". A big part of my philosophy regarding friends is that we are here to support each other. But that doesn't mean "right or wrong". It means we pat each other on the back for doing right and we call each other out for doing wrong. A stranger isn't going to do you the courtesy of telling you that you're acting out of selfishness, greed or malice. The times that my friends told me that I was doing something that was beneath me, those were the times that I knew I had good friends. [/QUOTE]

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