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Message: <blockquote data-quote="swrushing" data-source="post: 2816030" data-attributes="member: 14140"></blockquote>I follow up a quote by you in which you go on about how lying on some level is a more serious offense since it is a breaking of trust, and say we can use this linkage by you of lying to get across the differeces, and thats antagonistic?uhh... i would say the fact that everyone does do it is a pretyy sure sign that it is considered more acceptable. if people found it unacceptable, they wouldn't be doing it as much. Is your position that little white lies aren't more acceptable than big whopper serious stuff lies?Obviously cheating is different than lying in some ways and similar in some. After all, if they weren't similar, you wouldn't have linked them together to try and make your point, right?IMo the ker part is the problem, regardless of how you got there.A lot of hypotheticals there... that heis actions put him at the point, as opposed to say jusy bad die rolls or some other player's actions, and the best one... that the player can only learn from DYING,  that the player cannot learn from being near dead.What if the player in the same boat was saved by a nn-cheating PC. Don't we have the same "cannot learn uz he didn't die doomed to repeat this over and over until you guys just let him friggin' die"???BTW, as an aside, a dead PC doesn't learn. There is no reason why "his nexct PC" should be wiser in the same circumstances, outside of metagaming, which some consider cheating. So it could be argued that saving his PC gives him a legit chance to LEARN without metagaming.As a general rule NO, but in specific situations, just as lying to friends, sometimes YES.I would no more say "cheating is better and preferred as a overall case" than i would say "cheating is always bad and the response should be kick them out of my game."Both are way too absolute and extreme for the not-absolute-black/white world i live in.What about you? Either of those extremes a position you would endorce?[/QUOTE]

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