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<blockquote data-quote="swrushing" data-source="post: 2821680" data-attributes="member: 14140"><p>yes. I am. </p><p></p><p>necause it produces a more fun game for those involved than if i don't.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Definitely some fundamental differences here and at least one flat out incorrect statement.</p><p></p><p>First, he deserves to "be the man" as much as me because we are both players and deserve equal spotlight/limelight time. A competent Gm will make that happen. its not the dice that determine whether or not you deserve to be the man, anywhere near as much as they Gm is the determining factor.</p><p></p><p>Second, the dice do NOT even out how often we are the man. The dice are a small component of that which is far more determined by player skill (in designing characters, using the system and tactics) AND how those intersect with the Gms chosen challenges. A GOOD GM will adjust for the player strengths and HE, by HIS CHOICES, will make "be the man" time even out. But the dice won't do that job. </p><p></p><p>The dice cannot do that job. They have no brains.</p><p></p><p>And finally, the curve was skewed from the get go, out of whack, in my favor, by dint of my ability vs the other players and the GMs lacks. What I did was not so much to skew the way things should be but to push them back on even keel.</p><p></p><p>Honestly i didn't get that far. I didn't get it back to balanced. I did get it closer than it was otherwise.</p><p></p><p>Sorry but not going to get into the next round of "argue over how to define the nebuouls rpg term" with "powergaming." </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know the other PCs stats when designing my own. Do you normally as a player get the others to submit their PCs to you so you can build to fit?</p><p></p><p>If I play a more docile role in this crowd, we would be sitting still a very very long time.</p><p></p><p>I play support roles often. This wasn't one of those cases. its rather goods too that i wasn't in support role as it turned out.</p><p></p><p>look, maybe for you its really really important that every "win" your RPG characters get is earned tooth and claw on some universally objective scale...</p><p></p><p>for most of them, they wanted to have fun and getting to be the man" was more fun for them than not. If i helped them get that more than maybe they should on the objective darwinian earn-it scale, but still not more than their fair share as a player, Beleive me, i sleep just fine.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think its semantics. They took no action that violated the rules, so they aren't a cheater.</p><p></p><p>Are we back to "and thats why telling them would be wrong" maybe?</p><p></p><p>because, without him knowing it, he has more fun. And I wont tell him so...</p><p></p><p>yeah, thats gotta be it. </p><p></p><p>I cheat so I must.. oh wait, cannot say must ... MIGHT (nod nod wink wink) be the type who gets jollies out of secretly arranging things to show to me in my private moments that I am superior player with my 25 years of experience to someone with a few months of experience.</p><p></p><p>yeah, thats gotta be it.</p><p></p><p>or thats just gotta be another thinly veiled attempt at insulting the dirty little cheaters?</p><p></p><p>let see, so far, we...</p><p>1. probably steal RPG books too.</p><p>2. probably are being untruthful about whether or not we ever cheat to help others.</p><p>3. probably are secretly doing it for the power trip.</p><p></p><p>man, we probably run over sacks of puppies for fun too!!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="swrushing, post: 2821680, member: 14140"] yes. I am. necause it produces a more fun game for those involved than if i don't. Definitely some fundamental differences here and at least one flat out incorrect statement. First, he deserves to "be the man" as much as me because we are both players and deserve equal spotlight/limelight time. A competent Gm will make that happen. its not the dice that determine whether or not you deserve to be the man, anywhere near as much as they Gm is the determining factor. Second, the dice do NOT even out how often we are the man. The dice are a small component of that which is far more determined by player skill (in designing characters, using the system and tactics) AND how those intersect with the Gms chosen challenges. A GOOD GM will adjust for the player strengths and HE, by HIS CHOICES, will make "be the man" time even out. But the dice won't do that job. The dice cannot do that job. They have no brains. And finally, the curve was skewed from the get go, out of whack, in my favor, by dint of my ability vs the other players and the GMs lacks. What I did was not so much to skew the way things should be but to push them back on even keel. Honestly i didn't get that far. I didn't get it back to balanced. I did get it closer than it was otherwise. Sorry but not going to get into the next round of "argue over how to define the nebuouls rpg term" with "powergaming." I don't know the other PCs stats when designing my own. Do you normally as a player get the others to submit their PCs to you so you can build to fit? If I play a more docile role in this crowd, we would be sitting still a very very long time. I play support roles often. This wasn't one of those cases. its rather goods too that i wasn't in support role as it turned out. look, maybe for you its really really important that every "win" your RPG characters get is earned tooth and claw on some universally objective scale... for most of them, they wanted to have fun and getting to be the man" was more fun for them than not. If i helped them get that more than maybe they should on the objective darwinian earn-it scale, but still not more than their fair share as a player, Beleive me, i sleep just fine. I don't think its semantics. They took no action that violated the rules, so they aren't a cheater. Are we back to "and thats why telling them would be wrong" maybe? because, without him knowing it, he has more fun. And I wont tell him so... yeah, thats gotta be it. I cheat so I must.. oh wait, cannot say must ... MIGHT (nod nod wink wink) be the type who gets jollies out of secretly arranging things to show to me in my private moments that I am superior player with my 25 years of experience to someone with a few months of experience. yeah, thats gotta be it. or thats just gotta be another thinly veiled attempt at insulting the dirty little cheaters? let see, so far, we... 1. probably steal RPG books too. 2. probably are being untruthful about whether or not we ever cheat to help others. 3. probably are secretly doing it for the power trip. man, we probably run over sacks of puppies for fun too!!! [/QUOTE]
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